Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Die Antwoord


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

It is amazing that only under the threat of deletion, people come up with something that resembles sources. The result was withdrawn by nominator. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 23:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Die Antwoord

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Speedy declined after somebody claimed that this group had received coverage in Beeld, Die Burger, and Rapport without citing any sources for that claim. I did the search, and all I could find was a short note that one of their members went missing. In addition, their album $O$ is merely announced as "upcoming" and all the places I looked are basically blog-like forums or venues. (WP:N) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Well I just came to Wikipedia to learn more about them after hearing about then from a friend and a blog, so I'd say it's worth keeping. They seem legit and noteworthy. --LakeHMM (talk) 07:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You heard from a friend and a blog? Unfortunately, that's not how wikipedia works. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

From this review, it sounds like Ninja is the alter-ego of a relatively well-known figure in South African hiphop, Watkin Tudor Jones. There is already a Wikipedia article for one of his previous projects, The Constructus Corporation. I think the article should be kept and expanded as more information becomes available. -zorblek (talk) 08:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, here's an interview from Vice magazine. -zorblek (talk) 08:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

What nobody here understands is that we do not write entries with a rationale along the lines of "I think they will be famous in a few years, therefore we need to write about them to speed up the fame" -- Read WP:CRYSTAL... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: The Rapport article is here. It's more like a feature and doesn't really say much about the importance of this band but mentions the debut was at Ramfest near Worchester in 2009. This piece also mentions the band and seems to be a somewhat independent source. The Rapport weekly has quite a large circulation. No opinion as to whether this is sufficient for survival here, though. --Pgallert (talk) 09:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Choyooł, I'm sorry you have such a problem with this band, but you are the only person proposing deletion. If a single other person suggests it, it will be worth considering, but otherwise it seems like a personal vendetta. 11:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.140.24 (talk)
 * What policy are you referring to? (see WP:ILIKEIT) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 11:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

There has been an increasing amount of coverage of Die Antwoord over the past couple of days by major media organizations (for evidence, take a look at this Google News search). They might not have been notable a month ago, but that is clearly changing. -zorblek (talk) 13:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. I like their sound, and I concur that coverage seems to be increasing, for whatever reason - but a lot of that coverage is in blogs and similar venues, which doesn't count when looking at notability. The thinking there is that anyone can write anything in a blog; for notability, we need proper media coverage. So, the question becomes, is there such coverage? The google news link posted above by Zorblek seems to be almost all blogs and brief mentions, so that doesn't help much. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll repost here what I said on the talk page:
 * Boing Boing is a blog, but Vice Magazine is - as one might expect - a magazine (and that interview is in the website's "In the Magazine" section), and Vulture is part of the New York Magazine website. If you take a look at WP:RS, I think you'll find that it discriminates between news organizations, not the media that they use. The article needs better sourcing, but that is not grounds for deletion.
 * While many of the results are from blogs, many of them are from blogs that are part of major news organizations. These aren't some random guy in his basement writing about music. -zorblek (talk) 13:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep There's enough sources. --Sloane (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I feel like there is a lot of coverage right now about the band. Their videos on Youtube have a lot of hits and they have been mentioned on some major blogs. Thesloth (talk) 07:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You feel YouTube and blogs? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 12:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep For the reasons I stated above -zorblek (talk) 12:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep A very reliable media source: http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-02-05-die-antwoord-how-an-afrikaans-zef-rap-trio-electrified-the-planet - Cheers, Ryan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.68.70.129 (talk) 14:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Super Keep!* - These guys are blowing up all around the internet, live as we speak. The act's constituents are all well known from previous South African entertainment incarnations.  As a group, Die Antwoord now has several top-end, television quality music videos under their belts as well as a CD released on a decent label.  They are known and beloved throughout much of the Commonwealth Empire and the English-speaking world.--AStanhope (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I added more info form source channel24. This is a reputable news site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FNC (talk • contribs) 14:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Don't be idiotic. ¦ Reisio (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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