Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diego José Tobón Echeverri


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:54, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Diego José Tobón Echeverri

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fails WP:BIO. ambassadors are not inherently notable including being an ambassador to Russia. there's coverage for a football player "Diego Echeverri" but not this ambassador. LibStar (talk) 06:24, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   Musa Talk  ☻ 09:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions.   Musa Talk  ☻ 09:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, all ambassadors are significant, interesting and unusual enough to deserve attention and therefore satisfy the criteria to that effect set out in the introduction of WP:BIO. They are accordingly notable. I also agree with the argument, sometimes advanced by User:Necrothesp that this would alternatively follow from WP:COMMONSENSE. A person who is verifiably an ambassador should, at an absolute minimum, be included in, and redirected to, the relevant parent article, which in this case would be Ambassador of Colombia to Russia. Accordingly, as a plausible redirect with merge-able content, this article appears ineligible for deletion. I haven't analysed all the sources yet, and it is not helpful that they are mostly in foreign languages, but there does seem to be a 26 minute television programme. James500 (talk) 07:40, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No, ambassadors are not inherently notable and community consensus has shown this. This article is not ineligible for deletion. Lastly you have now popped up recently at many AfDs I've been involved in as well as contacting an editor I've been in disagreement in and conveniently siding with him. I'm noting this now for future action. LibStar (talk) 09:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The claim that such a consensus exists was rejected at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. You know perfectly well that I have been editing at WP:DSBILATERAL, and bilateral relations related pages generally, for months. I didn't side with any editor, I attempted to explain to an editor how to cite sources, and your response was to start pestering me for no reason. The purpose of my presence at this AfD is to enforce Wikipedia's inclusion policies and guidelines. You pop up in many places that I go on this site, and contact and side with editors that I have disagreements with. You might like to bear in mind WP:AVOIDYOU before making any further off topic comments. James500 (talk) 10:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

So why this constant following me around the last 48 hours? LibStar (talk) 10:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I haven't done that. Even if I had, it would be legitimate if done for the purpose of enforcing policies and guidelines. And you, in my opinion, have broken a lot of those in the last 48 hours or whatever. This nomination is, in my opinion, and in the opinion of others such as Necrothesp, an example of that. We are getting wildly off topic here. James500 (talk) 11:17, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * your edit history shows clearly you are following me. You're not picking these AfDs at random. LibStar (talk) 11:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Both AfDs are on WP:DSBILATERAL, where I have participated for a long time. Your edit history shows that you are trying to assert ownership of that deletion sorting list. James500 (talk) 11:40, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Not only popping out at AfDs but contacting editors I've had disagreements with and conveniently siding with them. Also in the last 48 hours LibStar (talk) 11:32, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You've already made that accusation and received an answer. WP:BLUDGEON. James500 (talk) 11:40, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Anyone can see out of your edits from 6 February, 90% of them are on AfDs I am involved in, and article prodded and contacting and taking sides with an editor I've had disagreement with. The pattern and your motive is plainly obvious. LibStar (talk) 11:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There exists a WP:PRODLIST. The only PROD I have removed recently is one that was placed on a notable topic and told epic lies about the level of sourcing available. That was an appropriate removal to enforce the notability guidelines and the policy against disruptive behaviour. Your statistic is fictitious, and the rest of your accusations have been answered. James500 (talk) 12:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Then how did you find HoldenV8? LibStar (talk) 12:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant. And by telling the editor how to cite sources properly I was actually helping you. Unless you are upset that, since the editor won't make the same mistake of failing to cite his source in the future, you won't have any further reason to criticise him. James500 (talk) 12:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

You found HoldenV8 by following my edit history. Just like you've been doing the last 48 hours. It's highly relevant how you found him. Your response here just confirms this. LibStar (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * the only way you could have found Holden was by following my edit history. You've never worked on rugby league articles so there is no other explanation. LibStar (talk) 12:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * What possible objection could you have to me telling someone how to cite sources properly? And how do you know that I don't read articles on rugby league and other sports besides? I read huge numbers of articles about film and television for many years before I started actually sticking my beak into a few of them. And yes, I do read articles about rugby league. And I have edited sports related project pages. In fact, I read almost everything, because I am one of those polymath super geniuses you have heard so much about. James500 (talk) 12:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I object to following me around and if it was only about citing sources the tone of your comments and subsequent defence of him show your real motive. Again you still haven't said how you found Holden besides the usual diversionary excuse making. Read almost everything, pull the other one. We both know you have been following my edit history looking for an opportunity to pounce. LibStar (talk)
 * And how would you know whether I edit rugby league articles, unless you've been following me for a very long time? And I didn't make any further comments about HoldenV8 until you insulted me for no reason at all (provocation) and then I noticed how abrasive your previous comments towards the other editor were (justification, ie enforcing the civility policy) and then you placed an erroneous warning template right in front of my eyes as I was talking to the pair of you (more justification). The tone of my subsequent comments indicates that I don't like unprovoked impudence being put on my talk page for no reason and I don't approve of needless rudeness. James500 (talk) 13:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Simple question. Which rugby league articles have you been working on that made you encounter HoldenV8? Please provide a diff. Otherwise we both know the real way you found him. LibStar (talk) 13:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Simple answer: Irrelevant. I do not need your permission to try to help an editor to cite their sources properly. And the moment you put an unprovoked false accusation on my talk page, WP:BOOMERANG came into effect against you. Nor would it even matter as we are entitled to follow editors to enforce policies and guidelines, and you can't accuse me of anything that does not consist of enforcing them. James500 (talk) 13:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

It is highly relevant in proving my claim you are following me. You didn't encounter HoldenV8 by random (if you did you would have easily provided a diff to prove this). Your excuse making is fooling no one. And your motivations for recent following me around is clear. LibStar (talk) 14:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You've already said this, and you have had an answer. WP:BLUDGEON. I think you know perfectly well that I !voted the way I did above because I think that ambassadors are notable, something that I have said many times before for years. James500 (talk) 15:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You claimed to find HoldenV8 via your editing of rugby league articles. When asked to provide evidence you failed. Of course you'll respond with some long winded excuse. LibStar (talk) 15:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't claim any such thing. I point blank refused to answer your question on grounds of irrelevance. I did profess to read articles on rugby league, but I didn't say whether that was how I became aware of that editor, because it is irrelevant and, frankly, none of your business. I said that I did not edit rugby league articles, but that your knowledge of this was proof that you have been following my edits for many months. James500 (talk) 15:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The irrelevant card is such a diversion from you using my edit history to find HoldenV8 and then side with them to have a go at me. Factored in with you following me on AfDs last 24 hours it's an obvious pattern. Anyone can see your edit history. LibStar (talk) 16:02, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No, LibStar, the sequence of events is that you had a go at me first because I innocently tried to explain to that user how to cite a DVD as a source. James500 (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Again you have failed to explain how you came across Holden. The fact that you keep giving diversionary responses clearly points you to using my edit history, there are 10s of 1000s of editors and by sheer chance you stumbled onto one. That is relevant because you've gone on a 24 hour pattern of following me since then. Yet the hilarious excuse making continues. LibStar (talk) 16:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * And what happened after that was the result of your failure to control your paranoia in twice accusing other editors of things they had not done. As you are failing to control it now. I don't see a pattern, and if there was one, it does not matter, as I have acted only to enforce policies and guidelines. James500 (talk) 16:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You also didn't deprod anything else out of all the articles on the list. OF course when you saw it was me it was immediate action stations. Your fake innocence is fooling no one. LibStar (talk) 12:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No, when I saw that the PROD was on a film festival (I like films), that the topic was notable, and that the PROD told epic lies about the level of sourcing available, it was immediate action stations. James500 (talk) 12:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Any one with eyes in their head could see that you are trying to disrupt this AfD with a massive wall of off topic comments. James500 (talk) 12:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE if I ever saw it. LibStar (talk) 12:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * KETTLE, with bells on, could be applied to every accusation you have made here. James500 (talk) 13:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You have a long history of barracking anyone who argues for the application of WP:IAR at WP:DSBILATERAL, and you are just proving that now. James500 (talk) 12:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

You have a long history of arguing verbosely in MfD and AfDs to the point where an admin recently warned you about your personal attacks. LibStar (talk) 14:50, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This, even if it was accurate, would be totally irrelevant. And if you don't like verbosity, the thing to do would be to stop trying to force me to answer you over and over again by making further accusations. James500 (talk) 15:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That's right you're never wrong and also love to respond to every comment contrary to your view. Just to prove it, see if you can't resist responding below. LibStar (talk) 15:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see you've just nominated the parent article Ambassador of Colombia to Russia for deletion. All that would mean is that, at worst, both articles would be merged and redirected to Colombia–Russia relations. It fundamentally changes nothing. James500 (talk) 10:40, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete- Yes, we can verify that this person exists and has a job. But that's really about all we can say. Ambassadors are not inherently notable, and the sourcing is just not sufficient to justify this article. Reyk  YO!  10:23, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ambassadors are accepted as notable if we can write and reliably source something genuinely substantive about them that gets them over WP:GNG — but they are not granted an automatic presumption of notability because ambassador. If all we can really write is "this person exists", and all we can really source them to is government press releases about their initial appointment with no media coverage of anything they did outside of that particular moment in time, then they don't get over the bar. But the latter is all we've got here. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not enough in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:25, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as apparently still quest for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister   talk  04:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


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