Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dimosthenis Liakopoulos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. Unsourced article with BLP concerns. We cannot have an unverifiable article which is a BLP walled garden, based on blogs and personal websites. If proper sources exist or become available in the future, interested editors are encouraged to create a neutral userfied article and request cross-namespace move via WP:DRV.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 22:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Dimosthenis Liakopoulos

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BLP about a controversial Greek TV personality, who runs a TV channel promoting what most people agree is utterly bizarre fringe nationalist pseudo-science. He certainly has some "notability", in the sense of being publicly notorious. But the trouble is: we have nothing to say about him. There's nothing, either positive or negative, that we can source with BLP-conforming reliability, because his programs are so laughably fringe nobody in the reliable literature bothers to deal with him. Note that the current version of the article is one that was stubbed back under BLP and then vandalised by a supporter; we once had much more on him (like this version, and previously even more critica ones, plus a whole walled garden on subjects related to him) – but all the sources in there were from non-reliable blogs and the like. The article has been around for years and has fluctuated between being a stub, a polemic against him, or an advertisement for him, but has never become anything remotely adequate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that our chances of ever being able to write an adequate article about him are very limited, and BLP perma-stubs are a bad idea. Moreschi (talk) 17:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and reform. We could use "protection" in this article to keep it from being pro- or anti- Liakopoulos.The thiing is he is famous and popular (or infamous) and that is the reason I think we shouldn't delete this.--Michael X the White (talk) 17:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see the neutrality as such as the biggest problem here. I could easily write a neutral-sounding article. The problem is, I'd have nothing to work from. Sources, sources, sources! Have you got any? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right. I'll start searching right now.--Michael X the White (talk) 17:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Presumably there's lots of sources in the Greek language. We should not delete an article because we are unfamiliar with the topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 20:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it was all Greek editors who edited it, and they were all familiar with him. But nobody found reliable sources for two or three years. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked at an older version and saw sources which agree with my own brief search. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What sources please? Reliable ones? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.