Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dina Rae (recording artist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy deleted as a G5 by User:JohnCD. (non-admin closure) Joseph2302 (talk) 23:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Dina Rae (recording artist)
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Still fails WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. (G4 speedy was declined because the most recent AfD was closed early when the article was speedied under G5.) —teb728 t c 19:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It does not fail WP:MUSICBIO, her debut single And? peaked at number 97 on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. Kandi  well  20:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - I am currently working on the article to get it into tip top shape and I would appreciate for the article not to be deleted as I really don't want to re-do it over and over if I'm being honest.... Kandi  well  17:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Note - If the page is kept can we please move it to the following name Dina Rae ? Kandi  well  09:23, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, unless/until there is a second Dina Rae article out there (which I guess is technically possible, I believe there's an author out there with the same name), there is no reason to have disambiguation (the "recording artist" part) because those are only use to distinguish between other Wikipedia articles, and there is no such 2nd article to distinguish from here. It should just be "Dina Rae". Sergecross73   msg me  02:54, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I declined the speedy, partially because of the nominators comments, and partially because I felt that the high level of collaborations she'd done (like platinum selling albums of Eminem) seemed to elevate her over what would be appropriate for an A7 type speedy deletion. Currently undecided on my AFD stance. Sergecross73   msg me  12:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree with, I am slowly but surely getting the page right Kandi  well  15:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

is this AfD even necessary; you declined the speedy deletion the other day and I'm finding more and more stuff about Dina that I'm filling in the page with references so is this even relevant? Please tell me Kandi  well  14:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Kandiwell. Yes, this is the proper protocol actually. People have the ability to nominate an article for speedy deletion when they think an article uncontroversial does not meet Wikipedia's standard for having an article. I declined that nomination - as an artist that appeared on multi-platinum releases and had a charting song, I didn't think it was a good speedy delete option. From there, editors usually go into one of two directions - some drop it, while others, who still feel that the article should be deleted, decide to open up a debate like this, here at WP:AFD, to see if there is a consensus from all the participants to see what to do with the article. (Keep, Delete, redirect, etc.)
 * So basically, what you want to do now, is to take a stance on the article. Much like we've been doing with putting "Comment" in bold at the beginning of statements above, you want to start off with a stance (Keep, delete, etc), and then explain how it meets either the General Notability Guideline or one of the more specific ones, like something relevant at WP:NMUSIC. Generally, the easiest way to prove this/convince people, is to show that reliable sources wrote about the subject - journalists writing articles with Dina Rae as the main topic. Sergecross73   msg me  15:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * does an biography from a music website count as reliable; she hasn't had any biographies written about her nor has she released an autobiography yet (who knows she might in the near future....) 16:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It would really depend on what website and what biography it was. A list of commonly used/avoided websites can be found at WP:ALBUMS/REVSIT. (It may be from the Albums Wikiprojects, but it could be applied to any music article.) I'd give you an example source...but honestly I'm having a hard time finding a good one... Sergecross73   msg me  17:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Does MTV count? Every time I click on that link you sent me it freezes. Kandi  well  17:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about the MTV bio there is out there? In general MTV is usually a reliable source, but that particular article looks funny, lacking formatting and whatnot. Looks like it may be ripped from some other site, which, in that case, we'd have to figure out where it came from and/or who wrote it. As far as the link, the direct link is WP:ALBUM/SOURCE, if that helps. I don't know why it would crash unless its such a big page that it causes your computer/device to lock up when you load it or something. Sergecross73   msg me  17:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * that's the one, it copied itself from a cite I once saw and dor the life of me I can not remember it and it changed that she grew up listing to a wide range of musical icons such as Teena Marie (MTV changed it to Madonna) and Method Man, so I put it to Teena Marie as originally stated, I hope that helps =).  Kandi  well  18:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * For other's consideration, the source we're speaking of is http://www.mtv.com/artists/dina-rae/biography/ Sergecross73   msg me  20:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am actually suprised on how much you've helped with this article; I didn't have you down as a Dina Rae fan =D Kandi  well  21:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, the article contains not a single reliable third-party source that covers Dina Rae in some detail. Whatever she might have done, apparently the coverage we'd need to write an article simply does not exist. Even the previous deletion discussions cite better (but still insufficient) references than the current, at least fourth, incarnation of the article. Huon (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Good article so far, it mentions in depth of her early career and that she was thinking of committing suicide but it needs a good amount of research as well Sucka4luvin (talk) 09:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - the article was moved to Dina Rae (singer). If sources establishing Dina Rae's notability were found and this discussion closed as a "keep", it should be moved to Dina Rae since there's no need for disambiguation. Huon (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 07:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * two things as I won't be on for long tonight; I've read what you meant about the pictures I've uploaded but I am struggling with the pixels on Paint (can you please reply to that issue on my talk page if at all possible? I know I shouldn't have mentioned it here but like I said I won't be on for long) and I agree if the page does stay for it to go as just Dina Rae too and whilst I'm on the subject on Dina Rae; that re-listed thing do I have to add another comment like Keep or Delete or does mine from the Dina Rae (recording artist) count for the Dina Rae (singer) consensus? Kandi  well  20:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - only one "vote" per deletion discussion, please. Usually pages shouldn't be moved while the discussion is ongoing to avoid such issues. Huon (talk) 20:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or draftify - after removing scads of copyvio material from the MTV article on Rae and eliminating all of the unreliable sources, there really isn't much left to demonstrate notability (either by GNG or MUSICBIO). A few interviews, an MTV page, and Eminem's personal website (which is primarily an interview anyway) are the only things there. If Kandiwell wants to keep working on this, then by all means chuck it to the Draft space, but it doesn't qualify as an Article yet. Additionally, the article is heavily promotional. Primefac (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Keep it, work on it and please rename it to jus Dina Rae, the EastEnders character hasn't got a page nor the author and upload some pictures of her Losthirsty (talk) 10:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Think they just about pass WP:GNG. I think that all the articles about her albums/songs that have been created should be merged into this article (which should also be moved to Dina Rae), as they aren't notable enough in their own right, but would improve this article. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment please note the three votes at the top from when it was called "Dina Rae (recording artist)" when adding it up Kandi  well  17:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't really matter, as it's always been about the same subject. Why did you change it from "recording artist" to "singer"? I thought we agreed that nothing at all was necessary, because there isn't another Wikipedia article with her name? Dina Rae is the correct choice due to Wikipedia naming conventions. (Though, it wouldn't be good to move again until the AFD is over.) Sergecross73   msg me  13:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried to upload it as just Dina Rae but it was locked and I was unable to call it that and even I thought after submitting it as Recording artist did sound a bit.... wet to be honest if the just Dina Rae had existed no doubt I would've called it that Kandi  well  19:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think Dina Rae got creation protected after bad versions about her were created multiple times. Assuming this gets kept, we can get an admin to unprotect it. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, I see now, Dina Rae is protected from being recreated. Yes, if it is kept, I'll remove that. Sergecross73   msg me  19:39, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Not being funny or nothing, but how long does it take 'cause it's been up for deletion for two weeks or is this the norm? Kandi  well  19:54, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * , this is perfectly normal for a contentious AfD; the longest they can run is 3 weeks. Primefac (talk) 23:40, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Usually it lasts 7 days, but if there's not a clear consensus, it's often extended for a week or two. Sergecross73   msg me  00:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: spas slakr  \ talk / 06:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 06:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt  as non-notable music artist - Fails NMUSIC & GNG, She wasn't notable in 2010 & 2014 and she's not notable now. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've partially struck above as wasn't aware someone had created a legit draft of her, I have no objections to it being recreated providing it's not by the sock and is better than now (I imagine the draft is). – Davey 2010 Talk 16:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Note to the closing admin: If you are thinking of keeping this article, please consider that the author,, has been indef blocked as a sock of banned . —teb728 t c 05:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC) I just noticed that keep !voter has also been indef blocked as a sock of MariaJaydHicky. —teb728 t c 05:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This should be speedily deleted because it was created by a sockpuppet of banned editor MariaJaydHicky. Despite my 'delete' vote, folks here should know that I worked on Draft:Dina Rae back in January, completely remaking the article from the ground up. That draft has not been approved for mainspace, nor has it been rejected. I think there should be an article about this musical artist, but not the one that MariaJaydHicky keeps trying to put into the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to Speedy delete per G5, but I would support recreation of this article by a non-sockpuppet. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.