Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dina bint 'Abdu'l-Hamid


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The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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Notability is not inherited. She is notable because she was married to King Hussain and gave him a daughter. All that information is already in the King's article. Apart from her marriage, she is not notable in her own right. I know that this might be controversial (it's a contested PROD), but I can't find any policy or guideline that says Queens are inherantly notable (although I concur that if the Queen is the reigning monarch herself, as Queen Elizabeth II, then they are inherantly notable) - if she hadn't married the King, she wouldn't be notable herself. Again, I feel the mention in the King's article is sufficient coverage --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions.  —--  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have expanded the article and added some sources that demonstrate her notability. Phantomsteve, according to your reasoning, Wikipedia should not have articles about queens consort at all because almost every queen consort derives her notability from her husband. Surtsicna (talk) 15:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. While Queen Consorts' public lives pales in comparison to their sovereign counter-parts, it is a disingenuous comparison. So do the lives of the American First Ladies and the wives of the Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom when compared to their husbands, but they certainly are notable in their own right. They all have public and official roles to play, often greater than many government posts. Side-note, she did not inherit the royal title, but married into it. [tk]   XANDERLIPTAK  15:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I will re-look at the article, and the newly added sources - and the arguments presented here (probably on Monday, as I have family commitments over the weekend), and will consider my position here. However, I would like to point out the "notability is not inherited" does not mean that I thought she inherited the title as you seemed to think I meant. I actually meant what you said "[she] married into it". If I was to marry a famous/notable person, that would not make me notable (leaving aside the fact that it would really annoy my girlfriend!). She was married to the King for 2 years and 67 days - I'm not sure how much of a public/official role she played, which is what would make her notable in her own right, especially as the article itself says Hussein determinedly said that she would have no political role. but does not mention that she actually did have a political role in spite of this - but as I said, I will look into the article/sources on Monday. If I feel that this nomination was incorrect, then I will withdraw it. If I do not feel that way, I will not! This was not a simple case of "she only married him and got notability in that way" - I looked for some sources and didn't find any reliable ones. The "Cairo Times" one is not actually at the Cairo Times' website - it is a typed copy purportedly of the original - but I have seen sources rejected because they are a scan of an original newspaper article that is on a website which is not the newspaper's website - this isn't even a scan, it is a transcription. However, I'll look into this on Monday (and try to get a copy of the other references). --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 18:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems to have some notability in her own right, too. NawlinWiki (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, as Surtsicna rightfully says, nearly all queens consort, and for that matter First Ladies, derive their notabilty from their husbands. After all nobody had ever heard of Diana Spencer until she became engaged to Prince Charles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being married to a reigning king is normally reason to declare a person notable. (There may be exceptions, but I don't think this subject is one.) Whether the queen actually had a political role should not be a determining factor here. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: She is notable - Ret.Prof (talk) 22:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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