Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dingoes ate my baby (disambiguation)


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 02:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Dingoes ate my baby (disambiguation)

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Everything here is either related directly to Azaria Chamberlain, or is a reference to the case made in another work. Howicus (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, yes, that is a correct observation, but that is not what the page addresses. The phrases use and references to it are varied. Unfortunately for many other editors here on Wikipedia, they do not understand this hence the creation of the page. Did you notice my message on the Talk page? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not just redirect to the article on the film? It seems to me that the creation of an "in popular culture" section for Evil Angels (film) would cover this subject better.  Howicus (talk) 23:34, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong delete. This isn't a proper dab page, but rather a collection of trivia. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: One of the most absurd pages masquerading as a DAB page. Toddst1 (talk) 23:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * But you wonderfully make my point, that is what the confusion is based on. The misconception is that the quote comes from the movie, when it does not. Its kind of a "We don't need no stinking badges" in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre situation. The phrase has been misquoted and abused so often that's bled into Wikipedia.
 * For example, the fictitious band in the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer is called Dingoes Ate My Baby and there is actually a link to the Azaria Chamberlin article. Any time the phrase is used or misused, it creates more ambiguity. Via this list WP readers will see that it can refer to a variety of related topics or uses. Granted, this is a subtle distinction and I don't expect every editor to get it.
 * By the way, I'm not a big fan of "popular culture" sections in articles. They muddy up the subject and create an ongoing need to update an article based often on vague references rather than quality information. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily vague references - this happens, with or without a dedicated section, but I would support it being restricted to sourced references that are significant enough to be mentioned in other articles. If it becomes a problem, maybe add a hidden note for editors. Peter&#160;James (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - The problem with a section in the film article is that the line did not originate with the film - the film is a dramatisation of the case and that line is effectively a summary of Lindy Chamberlain's defence in that case. The line is synonymous with Chamberlain's defence against murder charges - that Azaria Chamberlain was killed by dingoes. It's a notable phrase from a notable case which was turned into a notable film about a number of notable people. I think the disambig could do with an expanded lede, but I can't see any real logic in deleting it. Suggest something like,


 * "Dingoes ate my baby" was a phrase used by Lindy Chamberlain to summarise her legal defence against allegations she had murdered her daughter Azaria Chamberlain in 1980, suggesting instead that dingoes had killed the child. The phrase was made famous by the 1988 film Evil Angels based on author John Bryson's book of the same name. The phrase has since been used in unrelated popular culture, often in a satirical context.


 * Whether we need an article on the phrase itself is a different story. I think (given the number of times it has since been used out of context) non-Australian readers might conceivably google the phrase to ascertain its origins. Whether it is our job to explain it to them is probably what needs to be considered. Stalwart 111  00:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually is was this...


 * "Dingoes took my baby" was a phrase used by Lindy Chamberlain to summarise her legal defence against allegations she had murdered her daughter Azaria Chamberlain in 1980, suggesting instead that dingoes had killed the child. The phrase is often misquoted substituting "ate" for "took" when the events leading the trial were made famous by the 1988 film Evil Angels based on Chamberlain's book of the same name. The paraphrased quote has since been used in unrelated popular culture, often in a satirical context.--Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:44, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I also paraphrased then. My point was about the need for a better lede explaining the background - the actual text is much of a muchness. Stalwart 111  00:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  Bduke    (Discussion)  04:14, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Comment. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think this is a disambiguation page. A disambiguation page differentiates between three or more unrelated pages with the same name. All of the links here originate in one place, so it's not ambiguous. Howicus (talk) 17:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep A well known phrase which has appeared throughout popular culture. Its good to have a place to explain it to people, and show how it spread.  A dingo ate my baby should redirect here.   D r e a m Focus  15:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually the links don't originate in once place. They relate to the same origin, but the phrase has since been misquoted and misused enough times that this origin has become ambiguous. Would it be better it if were just an article, versus a DAB page?--Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, the (disambiguation) part should be removed from the name.  D r e a m Focus  18:17, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There has been a dispute over where this title should lead to, and although the RFD resulted in it remaining redirected to the incident, search results suggest it's mainly used for the band, with the film and the incident as other likely topics. A separate article or disambiguation page seems unnecessary, and if the band was notable, it could be primary topic, but as it only has a section, not an article to itself and the incident article already has a Media and cultural impact section where the band can be mentioned maybe this should just be merged and redirected to the section of the incident article. Whatever the result of this AFD the "disambiguation" part of the name is unnecessary and should be removed. Peter&#160;James (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, replace with redirect to Death of Azaria Chamberlain. This is not a disambig page, so that's already one blow against it. While the phrase has entered the pop culture, that's pretty much all you can say, and the fact that the above Death of Azaria Chamberlain article has a section on "Media and cultural impact" is that all that is "new" on this page can easily fit with a few more sentences into the Death page. --M ASEM (t) 01:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a dab page and unnecessary. Doctorhawkes (talk) 00:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a trivia section, not a dab page. Logical Cowboy (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per Masem and whoever said "absurd". Drmies (talk) 02:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.