Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dirty Den and Angie


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The result was keep.  Singu larity  07:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Dirty Den and Angie

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Delete-non-noteable soap storyline, fails WP:NOTE and WP:PLOT. Merge all noteable content to Den Watts or Angie Watts. Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK Series Three)'s Peer Review-Review now please! 18:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. One of the most important storylines of the early years of one of Britain's most popular TV shows.  As article suggests, a record breaking number of viewers watched the culmination of the plot.  Includes two paragraphs of real world context, fulfilling the requirements of WP:PLOT. JulesH 18:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't watch soap operas, but I believe that this is the most famous soap storyline in the history of British television. It seems more encyclopedic to have a well organised article on something like this than to have lots of episode summaries of cartoons. Many people will be interested in looking this up, and no doubt it has been written about extensively in relevant specialist publications. Wimstead 18:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I don't watch soap operas but Den and Angie are the most famous couple in the history of British soap operas. No other soap characters are as famous as they were. Despite it happening many years ago this plotline is still referenced a lot in British popular culture and has become part of British culture whether we like it or not. Ben W Bell   talk  19:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of English popular culture knows that this "super couple" were a mainstay of Eastenders an immensely popular programme. Bigdaddy1981 04:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Very week keep Accepting the arguments of those who claim to know, that it is a particularly important group of episodes in a particularly important show, the length and detail of the summary is outrageous, includes what is clearly very minor material, and certainly makes ones first thought turn to deletion. What the sort of reader who might not know the material (such as myself) finds extremely unclear writing doesn't help. If it were this culturally important, I can't help thinking someone would have done a better job of it.  DGG (talk) 05:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:PLOT. An enormous plot summary of a particular storyline. Contrary to what has been said above, it does not have two paragraphs of real-world context. It has about two sentences, neither of which is sourced. The extent of the supposed real-world context is that the couple proved to be more popular than expected and that a then-record number of people watched the divorce episode. This does not counterbalance the hugely excessively detailed plot summary and does not warrant a separate article. If the claims are sourceable then note them in the characters' articles. Delete this. Otto4711 18:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You could add more real world context yourself, to address your concerns. Mowsbury 12:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Non-notable is what the nominator of this article's deletion stated. But this couple (this storyline) is extremely notable. As is mentioned in the article's lead..."their divorce on Christmas Day, 1986 pulled in a record-breaking 30 million viewers, the likes of which had never been seen for a British soap before or since." They are the equivalent to America's biggest soap opera supercouple, Luke Spencer and Laura Webber, in that respect, which is sourced in the Supercouple article (another article that I will be further fixing up soon). Plenty of primetime shows never even get those kinds of ratings. At this time, I am the only editor here at Wikipedia fixing up these soap opera supercouple articles, which is going to take more than a week or two, certainly. And I have contacted two members of WikiProject EastEnders to fix up this article, the editors Trampikey and Gungadin, considering that they are better-suited to fix up this article than I am. They have done terrific work on the Pauline Fowler article, and I know that they can do terrific work on this article as well. Flyer22 20:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Everyone in Britain knows who Den and Angie are, they have a world record for audience figures, and are often referred to in popular culture (examples include references in the comedy shows Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps and Gimme Gimme Gimme). To call them not notable is stupidity, especially when they are arguably the best known supercouple in Britain. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 10:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The most notable British soap storyline. Mowsbury 12:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep absolutley notable in the UK. Nomination is possibly a little US-centric. Artw 20:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Massively notable in UK.--Bedivere 21:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep As notable to UK audiences as Who shot J.R.?. Essential to understanding Eastenders.KTo288 02:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


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