Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disgraceland (podcast)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Or more specifically, there is a consensus not to delete, but no specific consensus to do anything else particularly. If anyone wishes to take forward discussions on merging or moving to draft, these can be taken forward through talk page discussions or via WP:BB. Stifle (talk) 10:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Disgraceland (podcast)

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Fails WP:GNG 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:42, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes criteria 2 of WP:WEBCRIT as the podcast won a Webby Award. Lots of critical reviews available in RS (Boston Globe, LAT, Variety, New York Post etc.) Clearly a WP:BEFORE was not followed.4meter4 (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment. As the author of this page I don't feel qualified to explain why it's pretty clear (and agreed on by the above commenter) that this is a page worthy of inclusion. Multiple webby awards, national press, and was covered in Variety Magazine as recently as this week. Slazarus09  — Preceding undated comment added 16:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Not a contested draftification, but simply WP:UPE editing. Onel 5969  TT me 18:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not a valid argument for deletion. It's clearly a notable topic, even if we have a disclosed coi conflict of interest at work.4meter4 (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon (talk) 02:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Crime,  and Entertainment.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify - There are two issues here, a conduct issue and a content issue:
 * The notability of the podcast is clear.
 * The conflict of interest editing and the meatpuppetry are obvious.
 * AFD is a content forum. Conduct is not a reason to delete.
 * Draftification is an Ignore All Rules response to a blatant attempt to force non-neutrally written material into article space, and to have it indexed by Google's spiders, by what amounts to brute force.
 * I think that User:Onel5969 and User:Timtrent know that I dislike undisclosed paid editing as much as they do, but salting notable topics because of corrupt promotion is not the answer.
 * The draft should then be reviewed by a neutral reviewer, and returned to article space when found to be neutral.
 * The conduct issue should go to a conduct forum.
 * There is no right answer to this flagrant violation of conflict of interest and neutral point of view. I think that this is the least wrong answer.


 * Hi. Yes, I do not that you have the same loathing I have for UPE/COI editors.  My recommendation for salting was not to prevent recreation of the article, simply to not allow it to be recreated without admin oversight.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep If the subjects are notable, then they're notable. That is what AfD is about determining. All arguments about anything else should be ignored. Issues with non-neutral writing in articles is a content issue and should be fixed in article, with stubification if necessary. Anyways, here's sources on the subject:
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty obvious on this one. Silver  seren C 03:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –– FormalDude  (talk)  07:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge with Jake Brennan: Page should be deleted but between Double Elvis Productions, Jake Brennan and Disgraceland (podcast) there may be enough for a single page. Weakest of the 3 pages. 2nd option would be merge with Double Elvis. Gusfriend (talk) 07:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge As per Gusfriend. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree. In terms of the sources, the podcast has the strongest evidence of significant coverage of the three; although all three have enough sources to pass WP:SIGCOV. The decision to merge for editorial reasons is optional, and it's a decision that should not be made here at AFD but through WP:MERGEPROP. A merge is not absolutely necessary, so WP:ATD does not apply in this context.4meter4 (talk) 00:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment The draftification was "contested" by an obvious sock or meat puppet, that I have blocked. As such it isn't really a contested draftification at all, but given the support for keeping it as is, I don't think I can unilaterally re-draftify, and consensus here is conspicuous by its absence. I'm honestly somewhat frustrated about this discussion, as the issues with promotion are both obvious and somewhat easily fixed, and if someone had done so we could have had a reasonable discussion about notability, and saved a good bit of argument. So, loath as I am to provide free labor to someone seeking to promote themselves, I've cleaned up this page; if someone were to do the same with the two related pages, we could likely close the AfDs and discuss how many pages should exist here. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.