Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dismissed (ZOEgirl song)


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The result was   delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Dismissed (ZOEgirl song)

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Non-notable song, fails WP:NSONG. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)  Sum mer PhD  (talk) 20:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep because this is a retail/video single. While it may not seem notable in secular eyes, the song was definitively important for the Christian music industry.  It seems, however, that few documentation exists regarding this song's success, probably because a) technology wasn't as popular as it is today for Christian crowds and b) Sparrow Records didn't bother to write down what happened with the Dismissed song, probably because they were disappointed by it.  For example, Dismissed may have been a Top 20 hit, but Sparrow only cares about Top 5 songs. --LABcrabs (talk) 23:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC) — LABcrabs (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - So what criterion under WP:NSONG do you feel this passes? I don't see one. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 23:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - That's a tough call, because i cannot find *anything* regarding CHR/AC airplay for this song, if it even aired there. All i can find is that this was a retail single (added --LABcrabs (talk) 00:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)), the music video was released as a single, the song was released for UK airplay, and that's about it.  i didn't listen to ZOEgirl back then.  So i don't know where to look or search anymore, expect offline.  --LABcrabs (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC) — LABcrabs (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Update - It seems this song was released for a North America radio single, at least on Air 1. Here is a list of singles, just type "ZOEgirl" in the box.  If you look at all the other songs, they were released as singles, so with this logic, so was Dismissed.  i'll have to contact Air 1 for more information about this song, as well as other radio stations.  --LABcrabs (talk) 00:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC) — LABcrabs (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - I don't doubt it was released as a single. I don't doubt that it received some airplay. Neither of those are criteria under WP:NSONG. Most songs, like this one, are not notable. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment regarding SPA - my account User:True Tech Talk Time is generally devoted to telecom articles. Regarding Dismissed and its notability, i have "retail CD and DVD single" as an argument.  It is as notable as their Limited Edition Single.  Any "radio airplay" or "TV airplay" is a barely documented bonus.  --LABcrabs (talk) 15:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC) (Sorry, i logged on the wrong account and did not want to sockpoppet.)
 * Comment - Please review WP:NSONG being a single/video single/retail CD and DVD single/"Limited Edition Single" or receiving radio/TV airplay do not make this notable. Please cite the specific criteria at WP:NSONG you feel apply here. I see no evidence of any. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 15:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "In general, if the musician or ensemble is notable," (yes) "and if the album in question has been mentioned in multiple reliable sources," (yes, see next line) "then their officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." (yes, assuming that direct-to-retail singles/EPs have the same level of notability as albums.)  Also, "there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" about this song.  First-party resources may include the interviews on the Real Life DVD and contacting Sparrow Records, while third-party resources include a Kingdom Bound interview describing this song, talking to Tony Micheals, and multiple third-party articles like those of Christianity Today. --LABcrabs (talk) 17:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Those are the criteria for albums. This, "Dismissed (ZOEgirl song), The single Dismissed ...", is a song. "Most songs[note 5] do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts," ...no... "that have won significant awards or honors" ...no... "or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups" ...no... "are probably notable. Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article." - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 18:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - it aired on Televisione Cristiana in Italia's countdown, and possibly more. Is a video single enough rationale to keep the article, given that ZOEgirl only has three music videos?  --LABcrabs (talk) 22:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Again, please see the notability criteria for songs, explained at WP:NSONG. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing WP:NSONG. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


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