Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disney Channel (Albania)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Clearly no consensus to delete; the only choice here is between keep and merge, with people being about evenly divided on that. Since merging is fundamentally a content decision which doesn't require admin interaction, if people still think a merge/redirect is in order, that discussion can continue on the article talk pages. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Disney Channel (Albania)

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Was a redirect, but you have an editor who insists on reverting to a virtually uncited article, which shows no independence from Disney Channel (Europe, Middle East and Africa), which is itself a poorly cited article.  Onel 5969  TT me 01:47, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. The channel does show independence from EMEA, as I've stated before, the channel besides English programs with Alb subtitles shows Albanian dubbings as well (sample 1; sample 2; sample 3), it also shows its own bumpers and promos (sample). These are enough evidences to prove that the channel exists, I mean I am looking at it right now in my TV which has Digitalb. The launching evidence is also listed there in the references. I really don't understand all this disagreement. Whoamiwilli (talk) 12:23, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment What a coincidence that after reverting my edits to redirect the article to the EMEA variant, the "official" YouTube account for the Albanian variant of the channel was created on the same day. This is no real reference. -Bankster1 (talk) 23:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've explained this to you before on your talk page. I have asked them why did they close their previous YT channel and they explained it. I still have the message on Facebook, let me know if you want to see it. Also let's not forget about the first sample which is an actual (raw) footage of this channel in Albanian. Whoamiwilli (talk) 05:35, 15 March 2017 (CET)


 * Keep and expand Ngrica (talk) 13:07, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge with Disney Channel (Europe, Middle East and Africa) as a dedicated subfeed managed by both Digitalb and The Walt Disney Company Europe. If I'm not proven wrong, I believe this Albanian variant has the same schedule like the EMEA feed, just with a partial territorial disconnection from the main variant to provide Albanian audio and subtitle language tracks from Digitalb. -Bankster1 (talk) 23:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect with Disney Channel (Europe, Middle East and Africa) Albania may not be in the EU yet (they are a good candidate) but they are in Europe and as Bankster1.  Some of the more major countries have their own, like France and Spain, but the other smaller ones, like this one, all get redirected.  - Pmedema (talk) 21:58, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm very curious to know why this EMEA article's name was changed from Disney Channel (Southern Africa) to Disney Channel (Europe, Middle East and Africa). Is there any source that proves this? Ngrica (talk) 00:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There are different sources proving this, but this can summarise it. Disney Channel "Southern Africa" was in fact the Middle Eastern version of the network that Disney launched in 1997. It was managed by the Southeast Asian team (Singapore) until December 2004, when it became part of the Euro team managed from London. As it was heavily linked to the Scandinavian feed in promos and channel's schedule beginning in 2005, it began to be distributed as a Pan-European feed, and was launched in South Africa on September 25, 2006 (that's why some people over there mistakenly think there's an actual African feed, hence the former name of this article). Then it was launched on Poland, Turkey and Greece with their respective audio tracks for each country, but the first two finally got their own localised channels and the latter one is stick to this EMEA feed with a Greek audio track. During the mid 2000s up until 2010, this variant of the Disney Channel started to be carried on ex-Yugoslav TV operators (including Albania) with an Serbo-Croatian subtitle track enabled for the whole region. In 2009, the EMEA feed adopts the CEE-based promos, unlinking itself from the Nordic feed due to the rebrands from Jetix to Disney Channel in those regions. The channel still carries an Arabic audio track available only for animated series, and has recently launched an HD simulcast of that channel (with Arabic subtitles available for live-action shows, not present in the SD feed). Moreover, the variant used to show the KSA timezone onscreen while the narrator on the English track said the CET airings of the show. Currently, the channel broadcasts in English, Arabic, Greek with audiotracks available and in Serbo-Croatian with an subtrack available as well, needless to say that an HD simulcast is available exclusively for OSN in the Arab World. --Bankster (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But didn't you say above that this variant has also Albanian audio and sub tracks? You didn't include this here when you were counting the languages that are available. Also I found this sentence quite odd in the EMEA article: "broadcasting in the Balkans, Greece, the Middle East and Africa." Greece is also in the Balkans lol Ngrica (talk) 12:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I was assuming it had one, because there are no references about this feed having an additional Albanian audio/subtrack (on its main feed or via regional disconnection), just recordings on YouTube provided by . And also, I listed Greece as a separate region from the Balkans because it has its own audio/subs track and has minimal disconnection from the main feed when it comes solely to ads (provided by NOVA as far as I'm concerned), in contrast with the Adriatic countries that receive the channel in English with Serbo-Croatian subs with advertisement provided by local TV operators (which can interrupt broadcasting). --Bankster (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 00:31, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge: I struggled as to whether we should keep or merge this article. Bankster won me over. - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. From the sources that I saw, I could clearly see that this version of Disney Channel is legit, with audio/subs and ads in Albanian. - IEstiv03 (talk) 10:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sources fail under WP:VIDEOLINK for copyright violations. By the way, your vote may be questionable due to the fact your account was created nearly three weeks ago and your poorly involvement in Wikipedia in terms of contributions, which implies that this account falls in WP:MTPPT and WP:SPU. --Bankster (talk) 02:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And your account is "falling" under WP:WL and WP:MOREX. - IEstiv03 (talk) 00:21, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not, actually. It's not proven in my statements nor comments anywhere in this request for deletion. Instead, you're demonstrating yourself an impudent attitude towards an user who does not share your point of you about the deletion of this article, making nonsense claims not supported by any consistent argument. It is a matter of fact that users involved in a voting of any matter in Wikipedia must have a considerable number of contributions and length in the project to be considerate as an valid stand, and you keep ignoring it. (WP:DR) --Bankster (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Quoting: "There are no vested contributors. No editor has more authority than any other, regardless of prior experience. Edit count and length of time that has passed since your first edit are only numbers." I have just as right as you to vote here.- IEstiv03 (talk) 12:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yup, you're right (it applied on the Spanish Wikipedia since I mostly contribute on there, so I assumed the English Wiki would apply that too). Nonetheless, you're not giving any argument or opinion about this matter in order to your vote be counted as valid by admins or bureaucrats, just a vague, redundant acceptance of an already debunked stand on this deletion request. --Bankster (talk) 20:07, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


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