Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dissident Ulster Loyalist Campaign 1998 - present


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 23:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Dissident Ulster Loyalist Campaign 1998 - present

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Major WP:SYN and WP:POVFORK issues. For starters, there's not a single reliable source that I can find that even says there is a single, unified dissident loyalist campaign. Even if one or two were scraped together, it would still be a minority fringe view that such a campaign even exists. What we actually have instead are a small number of dissident organisations which aren't even that active in the first place, and any information about their activity (little that there is) belongs on the articles about individual organisations. Thus we wouldn't be losing information, we'd just be including it in the proper place to do so. The article states the campaign is ongoing, say what? Where was the dissident loyalist response to the 2009 Massereene Barracks shooting? Simiarly where was the dissident loyalist response to the Continuity IRA shooting dead a PSNI officer two days later? There was no response! Instead we get the article padded out with things like the murder of Kevin McDaid, and I can't find any sources mentioning "dissident loyalists" having anything to do with that. Simply because members of the UDA (who aren't dissident loyalists) may have been involved in his killing by a mob doesn't make his killing part of a so-called dissident campaign. Street violence between the two communities in Northern Ireland still continues on a sporadic basis, dissident or mainstream has nothing to do with it most of the time. Similarly there's the UVF's killing of Bobby Moffet, which was basically an internal UVF matter and is absolutely nothing to do with a so-called dissident campaign, unless the term actually means "anything loyalists have done since 1998". You might be thinking all this is actually a content dispute and to a certain extent you're right, but I'm trying to demonstrate that once you strip out all the stuff that's not part of the so-called campaign you're left with a single pipe-bomb incident to cover the entire campaign over a six year period. That is of course unless you believe that this actually sources "In 2007, a new loyalist paramilitary known as the Real UFF was founded by former UFF members in County Aintrim, and has been committing terrorist attacks there and across Northern Ireland ever since". The sources used in the article usually don't even mention dissident loyalists, if they do they don't claim there is a single dissident loyalist campaign. All information in this article can easily be covered in more appropriate articles (which it is already to the best of my knowledge), nothing will be lost by the deletion of this original research laden POV fork. 2 lines of K 303  07:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - well-written, for an opinion essay. Bearian (talk) 21:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment At least 20 grammar, spelling, or spacing errors. FeatherPluma (talk) 01:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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