Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Distance e-Learning (Philippines)


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The result was   redirect to Distance education. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Distance e-Learning (Philippines)

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Seems redundant to Distance education Jamesx12345 22:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Distance e-Learning is not the same thing as Distance Education or e-Learning. Distance Education usually follows a correspondence model and e-Learning typically relies on the use of the Internet and/or other Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) in the residential setting/classroom instruction. Distance e-Learning combines the strengths of the two concepts by its extensive use of online communication to bridge the gap in geographical constraints. Kurt Valcorza (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * If that is the case, why is the Philippines special? Jamesx12345 22:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Have tried requesting for a new article entitled "Distance e-Learning" but had been declined twice. Also, the term Distance e-learning was pioneered by the University of the Philippines Open University to describe the approach they use. KValcorza (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * We would have really wanted to write about Distance e-Learning in general, not only about the Philippines setting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Distance_e-learning KValcorza (talk) 00:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * To answer your question James: As indicated in the page, Distance e-Learning was pioneered by the University of the Philippines Open University the 1st Open and Distance e-Learning was held last year 2012.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by N.musngi (talk • contribs) 23:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Although Distance eLearning (DeL) and distance education are related concepts, their main difference is in the core approach wherein the latter's focus is on the fact that the teacher and the learner are not required to be physically present for the course of instruction, whereas DeL takes off from that same concept with an additional point of using ICT-enhanced tools in the learning process. It is also different from just eLearning which does use ICT but can occur in our out of the classroom (face-to-face or distant instruction). Distance eLearning is a fusion of the concepts and methodologies of distance education + eLearning. This concept is pioneered by the UPOU in the Philippines. FBorre (talk) 23:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - it doesn't really matter who "pioneered" it - for it to be considered notable enough for inclusion here, the concept itself must have received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. A number of the new users here should have a quick read of WP:SPA. Dumping a brand new 60,000 byte article into Wikipedia isn't a great idea at the best of times, even worse an idea when there's a AFC submission that hasn't been submitted (from the looks of it). There is nothing to indicate anyone has previously created (or tried to create) an article at Distance eLearning (without "Philippines" on the end). Can anyone demonstrate (in 2-3 sources) that the concept itself is notable? Not different, not unique, not interesting... notable? Stalwart 111  23:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * First and foremost, The Distance e-Learning model is optimized to overcome the issues/challenges faced in the Distance Education and e-Learning models. Dang, D.H. (2012, Feb). Reforming the Organizational Structure for ODeL: The Case of the Hanoi Open University. Hanoi Open University. Retrieved from http://icodel.org/icodel/resources/allproceedings/A/Dang%20full%20paper.pdf KValcorza (talk) 00:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Second, the marriage of Distance Education and e-Learning (Distance e-Learning) has made a notable impact in course design practices in the shift from the print-based correspondence to online collaboration/interactive learning environment. Arinto, P.B. (2013). A Framework for Developing Competencies in Open and Distance E-Learning. International Review of Research in Open and Distance Learning. Retrieved from http://www.irrodl.org/index.php/irrodl/article/view/1393/2433 KValcorza (talk) 00:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * A very good start, though given the claims that the University of the Philippines "pioneered" the concept, maybe starting with sources not from that University (like the first one) would be a better bet. Got a couple more not published by the University of the Philippines? Stalwart 111  00:59, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * We tried to create a new article at Distance eLearning (without "Philippines") but it was declined. Distance e-Learning is a novel concept that deserves a separate article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Distance_e-learning KValcorza (talk) 02:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Kevin M. Murphy from Washington State University talked about potential solutions to the challenges/issues faced by university-based agricultural courses taught via distance education. He called for novel course designs and innovative assessments using techniques in the Open and Distance e-Learning framework to address the needs of agriculture students. Murphy, K.M. (2012) Bringing agriculture into the ODeL environment: Challenges and opportunities. Washington State University. Retrieved from http://icodel.org/icodel/resources/allproceedings/B/Murphy%20full%20paper.pdf KValcorza (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Professor Denise Kirkpatrick from the University of Adelaide talked about "The state of the art in open and distance e-learning" in her plenary presentation in the 1st International Conference on Open and Distance e-Learning. Retrieved from http://vimeo.com/38136640 KValcorza (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The Philippine Rice Research Institute explored the relevance of open and distance e-learning in establishing an alternative extension system in the agriculture sector in the Philippines. Manalo, J.A. Frediles, C.A. Ilar, G.Y. (2012). How can open and distance e-learning be more relevant in agricultural extension system in the Philippines. Retrieved from http://icodel.org/icodel/resources/allproceedings/A/Manalo%20et%20al.%20full%20paper.pdf KValcorza (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's a link from ICDE International Council for Open and Distance Education official website that mentions UPOU as organizer of "International Conference on Open and Distance e-Learning: Creating Spaces and Possibilities" - link: http://www.icde.org/International+Conference+on+Open+and+Distance+e-Learning%3A+Creating+Spaces+and+Possibilities.b7C_wJjM3S.ips, Retrieved July 30, 2013N.musngi (talk) 02:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Kenyatta University has also re-branded the institute of Open Learning to include e-Learning. It now becomes the Institute Of Open, Distance and e-Learning (ODeL) From http://www.ku.ac.ke/odel/index.php/about-us, Retrieved July 30, 2013 N.musngi (talk) 02:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Asian Association of Open Universities featured "Ensuring Quality Education in Open and Distance eLearning (ODeL) through Virtual Learning Communities" by Melinda dela Pena-Bandalaria in AAOU Journal, Vol. 6, No. 1, September 2011, pages 13-23 From: http://www.aaou.org/journalfiles/Vol6%281%29September2011.pdf, retrieved July 30, 2013 N.musngi (talk) 02:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That's enough for me. There are some duplicate people (in the sense that academics in the field seem to have reviewed the work of other academics in the field) but that's more a matter of being careful when you create the article. I have also hatted the list of sources and have moved one of your comments for clarity. Stalwart 111  05:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 03:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 03:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 03:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep on the basis of the sources provided that would seem to demonstrate that the subject itself is notable, having received widespread academic coverage separate to coverage of either of its disparate parts. The article definitely needs work and some of the editors could use some assistance in terms of references, succinctness and WP:MOS but those are not problems that AFD can solve. Stalwart 111  05:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete, especially since the huge majority of the page (most notably, "Issues and Solutions") is WP:Copypasted from the sources, as evident from the formatting. As for the rest of the article, Merge to Distance education. There is literally no difference between the topic covered there and here, by definition. The article mostly talks about "distance education". Anything specific to the Philippines can be summarized briefly in a section in Distance education.  Mr. Gerbear | Talk  07:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Mr. Gerbear, thank you for bringing up the WP:Copypaste issue under "Issues and Solutions". We're now working to fix this ASAP. Distance e-Learning is a new concept/paradigm pioneered by UP Open University. Distance e-Learning is a new concept that combines the strengths of Distance Education and e-Learning. This article is a school project of students at University of the Philippines Open University. Most of us are new to editing/creating an article on Wikipedia. Rest assured the issues you've pointed out will be fixed ASAP. Kind regards, KValcorza (talk) 12:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Have removed the infringing content. We hope you will reconsider to recommend keeping this article. KValcorza (talk) 12:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge or redirect to Distance education. Delete and merge can't be done for various reasons, but more importantly, the article has serious copyright issues. Useful and properly sourced information can be merged to Distance education, and the article can be kept as a redirect (alternatively, Distance education in the Philippines can be created and redirected to Distance education as well). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Narutolovehinata5, our class was tasked to write about Distance e-Learning (no emphasis on Philippines setting). We tried requesting to create a new article entitled Distance e-learning (no Philippines at the end) but was declined. This one got through. I have requested to move the article to Distance e-Learning (see Talk page). Distance e-Learning is a new concept. We think the subject deserves a separate article. Kind regards, KValcorza (talk) 12:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed the copyright issue. We hope you will reconsider to recommend keeping this article. KValcorza (talk) 12:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect or attempt a selective merge - The article has copyright infringement which is a serious issue, however the article has information which could be redeemed as useful as stated above. Eduemoni<sup style='color:green'>↑talk↓ </b> 16:48, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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