Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/District X


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 19:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

District X

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Fictional location with no evidence of notability, mixed with some information about a short lived comic book series, which has a reception section, but the references seem not very reliable. Maybe redirect to some list of Marvel comic locations, hmmm, can't find it, Features of the Marvel Universe then? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:46, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy,  and Comics and animation. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  16:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Problem is, we've got other things like Ismael Ortega redirecting to here--I just un-redirected it, but this indicates that redirecting this article is more complicated than that, as prior redirections like Ortegas had not actually merged content, so they were suboptimal to begin with. Not saying this is a clear keep or anything--I haven't looked for sourcing, as I'm not a comic book afficionado--but that multiple problems should be dealt with consistently. Jclemens (talk) 16:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How about this paper? It seems dedicated to a significant part to District X. Daranios (talk) 11:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep While I am not sure about the sources currently used in the reception section one way or another, I think the topic is notable after all, based on the paper linked above, this CBR article dedicated to the topic, as well as several others with shorter treatments. (I am assuming that CBR.com is a reliable secondary source with regard to comics.) So while the current state is not great, I think it can be improved through normal editing. Daranios (talk) 16:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Daranios At minimum, we need to rewrite this from an article about a fictional location with a section about the series into an article about a series with a section about a location... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:31, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I agree. First, I don't feel like this is "an article about a fictional location with a section about the series", but rather those two closely related sub-topics stand equally side-by-side, both in the lead and the article proper. (I have tried to make this even more clear.) I think this is reflected in the newly found secondary sources, which talk about both. If you feel that from an encyclopedic point of view, the real thing (the comic book series) should be treated before the fictional place, sure, go ahead and WP:FIXIT. It should only mean swapping the sections and slightly rephrasing lead sentences. From the point of view of the reader, I tend towards the current order being more understandable, as the location extends beyond the comic series, but especially historically it has appeared earlier than the comic series. Daranios (talk) 11:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Daranios The thing is I am not seeing these sources talk sufficienty about the location to meet WP:SIGCOV. There is some discussion of the series. As usual, it's almost all plot summary. Did you notice any statements about the significance/importance of either the location or the series? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * "District X became a playground for X-writers and X-artists to develop ideas that hadn’t been the focus of previous X-Men books." "As in The Wire and Morrison and Leon’s first look into the Mutant Town, District X treats its characters with compassion." "While the comic setting was a poignant development, it hasn’t had the cultural impact of the TV show because the allegory isn’t as powerful as the detail-focused magnification of real tragedy." "Bizarre Spin-Offs That No One Expected...District X Was A Mutant Focused Crime Procedural...this story and the focus on Ortega's personal issues seemed a weird direction to go in a book that was ostensibly about mutants." "In contrast to a long-standing claim to ‘realism’ in Marvel’s use of New York City, this article argues that the real Alphabet City – at the time a contested and rapidly gentrifying neighbourhood – is nowhere to be found in District X, replaced by a voyeuristic fabrication, a sensationalistic node of concentration for middle-class fears about urban decline and blight amid prosperity and contemporary discourses about drugs, crime and homelessness that reproduces long-standing cultural representations of the neighbourhood as different and inferior." "this aspect of ‘Mutant Town’ has been remarked by fandom: ‘Morrison turned mutants into a subculture [… He gave them their own Chinatown, their own Little Italy, and made it a point to show that mutants […] were more than just mutant paramilitary teams", "District X starts off as a relatively grounded police procedural....the strand of social realism that is introduced in the early issues is increasingly interwoven with much thicker strands of action cinema and television, science fiction and superhero comics. ... the series’ inability to divorce itself from the trappings and tropes of less realistic genres leads it astray and helps cement its failures of identity."], etc. Daranios (talk) 16:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Except the last one, SIGCOV is an issue, but I concur deletion would be suboptimal compared to a rewrite about the comic book series. And sadly, the sources are more about the series than the location, which is seen as part of the series, at least that's my reading. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per comments from Jclemens and Daranios on the sources added. BOZ (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment While the location seems like fancruft, the comic itself seems potentially notable, although I am unsure about the reliability of the reception sources. If kept, it can be reoriented to be about the series, not the location. If I can get confirmation that the refs for the series are in fact unreliable, I may !vote delete. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per the comments that were made by, , and . --Rtkat3 (talk) 03:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


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