Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diversity (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 00:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Diversity (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)

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Does not require a separate article from Black Lives Matter. Cannot be rendered neutral by editing. See Wikipedia is not a web host. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - This appears to be a good-faith educational effort which however cannot be reconciled with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating Unapologetically Black (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle) because the same rationale applies. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating Transgender Affirming (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle) because the same rationale applies. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Intergenerational (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle) should be added as well. – Athaenara  ✉  13:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi! From what I can see, the students involved with this are OK with removing the pages per the remarks here, where wrote "You can delete them whenever you like." My only request would be that we could e-mail a copy of the content to the editors involved so that they can show their professor their work. I'm also posting on the class's dashboard page about this and giving a suggestion on an alternative way to incorporate this content (albeit in a different format) in Wikipedia. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Agree that these topics should be discussed within Black Lives Matter rather than as separate articles. However, if retained, the words "Guiding Principle" in the titles should be lower case. —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all per WP:NOTESSAY. It's hard to see what content could be kept in the main article. Black Lives Matter has a simple list of the guiding principles - perhaps some of them need at least to be defined. StAnselm (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. These articles (there appear to be three linked to this AfD) could be repurposed/expanded to Diversity in activism, Trans-inclusive, Unapologetically Black if enough reliable sources can be found, and the concept is not sufficiently covered elsewhere under another name.--Pharos (talk) 21:11, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree in principle with User:Pharos that the articles may be capable of repurposing, but that would amount to blowing them up and starting over. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: The Black Lives Matter article has a simple list of the principles and could be augmented with reliably-sourced text on their meaning.  With sufficient sources, it could become necessary to create a more specific article such as Guiding principles of the Black Lives Matter movement which could explore different perspectives from inside and outside the movement in line with usual considerations for due weight, reliability of sources, NPOV, etc, and to have a simple summary in the parent article.  Unfortunately, the essays here are not the basis for such an article as the task set was inherently non-neutral.  I feel sad for the student editors  and  because they are stuck trying to explore meaning of principles from the movement's perspective (the task set) and when policy requires neutral coverage of perspectives in accord with their weight in sources.  Some of the sources used would be useful for an article but the content is not.  Essays for tertiary education often require synthesis of information, advocacy / arguing for a perspective, and original ideas and thought, and all of these are inconsistent with encyclopaedic writing.  These essays are not the basis for acceptable articles, a blank page would be an easier starting point.  If the students want to persist, there is a notable topic here and there are editors who would help, but given this is an assignment and the semester is nearly over, I will not be surprised if this does not occur.  It is a shame when instructor-set work on Wikipedia is incompatible with Wikipedia policy, as seems to be the case here, and the Education Program is already planning to look at this case and the Environmental Justice case over summer – so hopefully we will not see cases like this arise again.  EdChem (talk) 08:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. All the pages nominated here are promotion, propaganda, spamcruftisement, you name it (the main BLM page itself suffers from this as well).  In a situation like this, a reminder that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just another free content hosting service, is needed.  I do not have the patience Seraphimblade demonstrated at User talk:Burgesspfc but I link it here as a fine example of the guidance these students need and are apparently not getting from their own instructor(s).  I hope at least some of the students participating in Wiki Ed/University of Texas at San Antonio/Black Lives Matter - Critical Perspectives (Spring 2017) are aware of and following this discussion.  – Athaenara  ✉  11:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note as well these pages which were previously deleted ...
 * Black Women (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)
 * Black Villages (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)
 * Globalism (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)
 * Collective Value (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)
 * Empathy (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)
 * Black Families (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle)
 * ... just to flesh out the context a bit more fully. – Athaenara  ✉  17:00, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


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