Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Divine Boards


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-11 09:37Z 

Divine Boards

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Nn website, fails WP:WEB. Deprodded by author. — Matt Eason (Talk • Contribs) 20:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Obviously this forum is stronger than most advertised here at Wikipedia. I am not calling this advertising because it isn't. It's a legit article on a legit internet site. Now, if you delete this one, you would, in theory, have to get rid of the NSider article, GTF Outsider, and all of the other 'forums' out there. Since you perceptibaly won't do that, then this needs to stay.

I feel that this page is not advertising... It is a strong forum and has been around for a long time. If you feel that this is advertising, then why not take the other forums down as well? Just because they are bigger does not mean that they are not advertising also... Please consider keeping this page... --Divine Boards 20:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, WP:SPAM, WP:WEB, WP:VAIN: Few "strong" forums collapse, and few forums with an Alexa ranking of zero can be described as "strong."  Article created today and represents the sole Wikipedia activity of the editor ... of course it's an advertisement; what else would this article about one of the many thousands of gaming fora be?  (And yes, we're pretty proactive over deleting such articles.)  Ravenswing 20:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per blatant advertisements and lack of notability. Cheers, Lankybugger 20:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete blatent failure of WP:WEB. Nuttah68 20:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: Non-notable and in violation of WP:WEB and spam. Per agreement above.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 21:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont know what "Alexa" is, but I dont need "Alexa" to tell me that we have a community that is on the internet... It is a piece of history that needs to be included in this encyclopedia.--Divine Boards 22:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I added an achievement made by Divine Boards...--Divine Boards 22:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * These are not compelling argument for inclusion. Read the standards under WP:WEB.  Also, I sense that you might have a WP:COI here. --Haemo 00:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Alexa, FYI, is a site with software that tracks Web sites and ranks them according to their relative traffic; a number of us use it to gauge the relative popularity of a website.  A ranking above #1000 is pretty darn good, much below #10,000 fairly insignificant, below #100,000 a blip at best.  If you don't register at all, you've just not established any degree of importance.  I'll tell you what, though; take your website to Britannica or Encarta and see if you can get them to include yours.  If they sign off on it, it'll be good enough for us.  Ravenswing 02:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I will regester with alexa and Britannica/Encarta... Thanks...--66.140.211.156 03:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:WEB completely.
 * Comment - You said that, on the actual site for Divine Boards, the announcement that says the article is considered for deletion cannot be edited out of the article untill the situation is resolved. I think we both know the situation is now resolved after our impenetrable arguement with NSider. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Divineboards.co.nr (talk • contribs).
 * Please add new comments to the bottom of the discussion, not the top. Thanks — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 20:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, didn't know how to sign my name. Anyway, we (the creator of this article and myself) are trying to save this article from deletion for reasons that aren't acceptable.  Join Divineboards.co.nr 20:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)divineboards.co.nr
 * I dont think this is resolved yet... They seem to think it is not good enough. I will not give in, these guys forums have a right to be here.--204.184.141.253 20:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it really doesn't. Wikipedia is a privately-owned encyclopedia, and articles must conform to Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  This article's backers have consistently refused to explain how it satisfies Wikipedia criteria.  The only way to save it is to do so.  Ravenswing 21:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How are our reasons not acceptable? You've yet to provide any proof whatsoever that the site passes the notability criteria at WP:WEB. — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 20:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Divine Boards does meet the criteria... It has published works within it from various members that do not own the site... The forum is ranked higher than most forums on the invisionfree directory... I am not sure what more there is, but it seems good enough to me...--66.140.208.8 22:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you've misunderstood the meaning of 'published works' in WP:WEB - we don't mean things like posts on the forum, we mean things like newspaper articles and TV documentaries. — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 22:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I did not misunderstand you... Divine posts updates on events relating (V-Games) and members post reviews. I agree that these are contained within posts, but it is just as affective... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.140.208.8 (talk • contribs).
 * We're talking about published works about Divine Boards, not works published by them. — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 22:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yah, I just posted one here... Just type in DIvine Boards here (Wikipedia) and you get the article...--66.140.208.8 05:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you seriously not see the problem with that? --Haemo 05:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I see a huge problem... You wont let Divine Boards be on Wikipedia...--66.140.208.8 06:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, then I will spell it out; a Wikipedia article cannot be sourced from itself. As such, this is not a source which constitutes a published work under the guidelines.  --Haemo 23:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Divine Boards did not post itself... I dont own it, I just posted it here...--66.140.208.8 05:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:WEB, et cetera. --Merovingian ※ Talk 05:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Is this conversation over? You haven't deleted the article, so it must meet the requirements to stay, right?  Can we take the 'article for deletion' tag off of it now?Join Divineboards.co.nr 21:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * AfD debates last up to five days. So far you haven't shown us anything that would suggest it meets the criteria at WP:WEB, so it's likely to be deleted by an administrator after then. Please do not remove the AfD tag from the article. — Matt Eason (Talk &#149; Contribs) 21:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This conversation seems over, yes, but possibly not in the way you would wish. As Matt correctly points out, you've completely failed to demonstrate how this board passes WP:WEB.  You're running out of time to do so.  Let me phrase this in a way that might resonate with you:  this is like me asking you to be credited with winning a computer game without actually playing it, and figuring that if I'm persistent enough in asking I'll be handed the credit for victory, no monster-bashing or problem-solving required.  Possibly you might want me to prove I can do what I claim I did before you give me props for doing so.  Ravenswing 22:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Have you not seen Nsider? That forum is more of a trivial, non-reliable source than anything I know, yet you still have it here... Does that not violate your little rule?--66.140.208.8 06:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sir or Maam, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in discusion is now dumber for having listened to it, and may God have mercy on your soul...--66.140.208.8 05:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be wiser to try to understand what Ravenswing is trying to tell you than to resort to mockery for not being hip enough to your world. I can't find a single sentence in this article that does not appear to be original research, which is not allowed in articles on Wikipedia.  If you can provide reliable, non-trivial, third party sources for all the statements in the article (and/or remove the ones you can't source), then we won't delete this article.  If you can't do that, then we will delete the article.—Carolfrog 05:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
 * You may want to read WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. In addition, you are perfectly free to nominate Nsider for deletion if you think it warrants such an action.—Carolfrog 07:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, I have now done so. I guess we'll see what the fallout is on that, huh?—Carolfrog 08:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, who knows, but perhaps Mr. Anonymous there could consider a few facts: (a) Nsider is the official Nintendo board; (b) It carries an Alexa rank around 1,500, which is huge; (c) It has over twenty times more users than Divine Boards has posts, of which; (d) according to Divine Boards' personal "Domain" feature, around a full fifth of DB's posts come from only six users. Ravenswing 09:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.