Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Divinities (book)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 07:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Divinities (book)


Book published on lulu.com (link for this book here). Lulu.com is an interesting concept but basically a kind of vanity publisher. No reviews whatsoever. Misses WP:BK by a country mile, granted that WP:BK is just a proposal. Herostratus 02:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. MER-C 02:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable self-published book. IrishGuy talk 02:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Advise author of page of possible ways to make it more acceptable. Currently I do not have a problem with it being deleted except that it gives people who I am selling to a place to get information about the book and be linked to both versions. If deletion is inevitable, is there any better place on the web to put this information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsawczak (talk • contribs)


 * Wikipedia isn't a venue for selling your work. Purchasing some webspace and building a website would be a better avenue for this. IrishGuy talk 02:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to sell it - just have a base point with the information about it and links to it. I do the advertising in person, I don't need wikipedia to do it. My article seems unbiased - all it does is state information needed. In the article it mentions that I'm 15. Right now I don't have much provision in the way of non-free website.

Alright, I suppose I'll just leave this, then, and tell people how to get directly to the site. Thanks for advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsawczak (talk • contribs)


 * Writing an article about yourself is a serious conflict of interest. IrishGuy talk 02:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

So... I'm gathering by the link is... I could put it on my user page, and just direct my customers there? After all, I suspect little or none of the people who are going to be visiting Wikipedia will happen to visit my user page. May I do that? Is it constitutional? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsawczak (talk • contribs)


 * User pages are not the same as personal webspace, nor are they to be used for commercial goals. IrishGuy talk 03:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

So, you're saying I mayn't? This is the exact text I would put there:



Luke Sawczak's only achievement so far is his book Divinities, a semi-fantasy novel written at the age of 15. He describes it as falling into the "historical fiction, philosophy, and fantasy" categories.

It was published on http://www.lulu.com on November 18th, 2006. Its two editions were published simultaneously. Its content was rated "Everyone" by the author using Lulu.com's standards and the description he gave for it is as follows:

"A plague primarily affecting women has cut down the population. Being that there are less than one hundred in the ravaged, plebeian, Latin country called Aedificia, they are worshipped as gods. Euchris Harandr, a confused, cold and insightful man, is led through his life by various underground people working to balance the genders, and he battles his own conscience and upbringing to try and discover what is right, as well as his religious struggle; concluding with the obliteration of Aedificia and the the starting anew of civilization, perhaps to failure, perhaps to a new life."

As of November 20, 2006, the http://www.lulu.com/content/526783 Hardcover Edition] costs $25.14 USD and the Paperback Edition costs $15.66 USD, though both editions can be downloaded for $8.00 USD each (as a PDF document).

I'll take your next answer as the final one on whether or not I may use any aspect, shape or form of Wikipedia to redirect my customers and give them the information about my book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsawczak (talk • contribs)


 * That exact text is commercial advertising to entice people to spend money on your product. Wikipedia isn't a venue for personal advertisement. IrishGuy talk 03:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You're answering evasively, but I'll comply. One last clarification is that I did not intend the page to persuade anyone to buy the book, but rather that the only people to see the page would be people that already knew about the book from me in person and were looking for a method of buying it. Thanks for your focussed attention. I'll withdraw now. Delete the article as soon as you like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsawczak (talk • contribs)


 * I'm being far from evasive. I don't think I can be any clearer. Wikipedia is not a place for you to advertise yourself and/or your products. It isn't for your personal commercial use. If you want your friends to know how to purchase the book, send them to lulu.com. <b style="color:green;">IrishGuy</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 03:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete: completely non-notable, self-advertising, COI and spamming. Maybe should be deleted immediately under G11. Ben W Bell   talk  07:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

"I'm being far from evasive. I don't think I can be any clearer." - Well, you could have directly answered my directly-asked question* instead of restating your previous generalization... Do you see what I mean?... you didn't link your answer with my question. Tis like someone saying, "Is President A going to remain in office?" and getting the reply, "I heard that President B has some policies on cats." If there was a connection, "The thing which people hate most about President A is his policies on cats," then the other person's reply would have been an answer to the first person's question... ...but no matter.
 * ("whether or not I may use any aspect, shape or form of Wikipedia to redirect my customers and give them the information about my book.")
 * Delete as an advertisement and a non-notable book. Stardust8212 13:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - for the reasons above. The page's author is reminded that WP is not personal web space and also that it is a good idea to sign comments on talk pages using ~ .  →<em style="color:green;font-variant:small-caps">Bobby ← 15:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as spam -- Whpq 17:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as not personal web space. Suggest author get a Geocities or set up a Myspace page for his book.--Isotope23 20:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Whatever other reasons you may conjure up, it's not spam, Whpq.--Lsawczak 14:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, because it is not sufficiently notable and really for no other reason. Self-publishing is irrelevant--who cares who published it if it's notable enough.  I think Lsawczak is trying to act in good faith, but is just unclear on wikipedia 's purpose and policies.  Considering the dates for his user account contributions, we should probably remember to avoid biting the newbies.  When Divinities becomes popular/notable enough we'll welcome it back.  Dall  ben  23:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

That was the best summary of it I've seen yet. --Lsawczak 18:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - self promotion from what I can see - wait for the book to become notable "then/if" someone else can write a more objective treatment. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  10:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:COI and author should not be involved in this discussion. At all. -THB 22:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete not really notable. ← A NAS  Talk? 20:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


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