Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Divya S. Iyer


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The result was keep. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Divya S. Iyer

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The subject has nothing notable to claim to have an independent article. This article was earlier rejected multiple number of times at AFC. The sources are giving some routine coverage about her marriage and pregnancy. That is not sufficient to establish notability. She has no significant coverage hence fails GNG. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Strong Keep The article is reviewed by Melcous. Please see Google search results, Google news results, books results, Scholar results WP refs. ProudMallu ( 📨 │ 📝 )  11:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Firstly, it's a bit poor form to create an article under one user name, and then come and argue at AfD under another. I don't know if there's a policy against that, but IMHO there should be. Secondly, Melcous seems to have tagged the article for notability, which probably automatically marked it as reviewed — hardly the endorsement you seem to think it is. And as for linking all those Google searches, this is a bit pointless as everyone's search results will differ, and in any case if you have found reliable sources sufficient to establish notability, then you can add them to the article; it's of your creation, after all. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I changed my username with the person of an admin. You can check that here. <span style="color:#0000FF;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">ProudMallu ( 📨 │ 📝 )  11:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I know you did, that's how I found out that you are the same editor. My point remains: creating the article under one username and voting here under another (however that came about) gives the impression that your vote is a neutral, unbiased one, whereas it's the article creator voting to keep their article (as would be expected). Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:39, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak keep, the weakest of weak keeps, that is. There are enough reliable sources, with sufficient coverage, to establish WP:GNG, even if (an in this respect I do agree with the nom) there doesn't appear to be much claim of noteworthiness. An example of where technical notability supersedes IRL one, and an article may end up surviving that really shouldn't? --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note to others: The user, who created this article is under suspicion for violating our guidelines. There is already a case against this user at SPI regarding personal attacks like this and using multiple accounts. ProuMallu is also suspected for sockpuppetry. See this . Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 12:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Routine update: has been finally blocked for sockpuppetry. Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 05:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep/Strong keep: Basically my entire argument can be found within this Teahouse discussion, where I discuss and link to sources I found while performing very rudimentary WP:BEFORE. I encourage anyone participating in this discussion as well as the reviewing administrator to look at some of the sources there and read my full argument. I not only believe that the article's subject exceeds the standards laid out by the WP:GNG, but also that, unlike in 's vote, there's no issue with the claim of noteworthiness. The nom, Kichu, is entirely incorrect about the extent of reliable, independent sources' coverage of the subject, insofar as it goes well beyond her marriage and pregnancy, which you can easily see by looking at the sources I provided at the Teahouse. Kichu was involved in this Teahouse discussion and should therefore be well aware of this obviously non-routine coverage. Likewise, as best I can tell, the draft at AfC was rejected once, not "multiple times". The article should be cleaned up and have much more coverage given to the land controversy, which received sustained coverage in multiple reliable state-wide and even national news sources, but the subject herself handily merits an article. I want to note that the draft's creator,, notified me of this discussion on my talk page (in a manner teetering on inappropriate notification) but that I had every intention of participating in this discussion in the first place.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  15:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * TheTechnician27, thank you so much for the participation. And I owe you.. <span style="color:#0000FF;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">ProudMallu ( 📨 │ 📝 )  16:48, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment:u|TheTechnician27, its who reviewed the draft. So I would like to ping him here.  And if you see the comment by another experienced reviewer in that teahouse discussion, his opinion was also that the subject is not getting enough significant coverage. He also said the 3 sources you provide does not pass GNG. This is his comment copied from that discussion;At the time I reviewed the article, it had 14 sources. I was confident that 11 did not pass GNG. I evaluated this source you mentioned as not passing GNG because there is only about a paragraph of information on her specifically, which is less than the standard I was taught of at least two paragraphs. After consulting with Onel, who is very experienced at new page patrol and AFD, he assessed the 3 sources I was unsure about as also not passing GNG And we three are not not the only three users who thinks the subject is not notable. I was not the person who placed the notability tag. You can see the edit history. Regards Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 15:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You the person who placed notability tag first check this. And you are doing all these intentionally now. <span style="color:#0000FF;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">ProudMallu ( 📨 │ 📝 )  16:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * See this . I may have placed it. But I didnt ask to place it. And you, Im waiting for Oshwah to come online. You requested  to delete your own account and said you dont want to edit again  And here you come again, Just to vote as keep and canvass other editors into this discussion . I have nothing more to say. You will see the rest. Good luck. Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 17:02, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Reply to : I would like you to show me atleast any two sources giving her significant coverage, so that I can withdraw this nom. Regards Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 15:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep because WP:BASIC/WP:GNG appears to be met, e.g. This bureaucrat also heals (The Hindu, 2017), ‘Imperfections need to be appreciated’ (The Hindu, 2017), Divya S Iyer: From files to films (Deccan Chronicle, 2017), Kerala’s new power couple: MLA Sabarinadhan to wed Thiruvananthapuram Sub-Collector Divya Iyer (The News Minute, 2017), MLA KS Sabarinathan to marry Thiruvananthapuram sub-collector Divya S Iyer (Deccan Chronicle, 2017), Kerala: Bureaucrat Marries Politician, Media Can’t Stop Obsessing (The Quint, 2017, "The news value of their relationship cannot be denied, considering the near-celebrity status they both hold in their respective professions."), T’puram sub-collector Divya S Iyer cancels land takeover by tehsildar, triggers row (The News Minute, 2018), Divya S. Iyer transferred to Local Self-Govt dept (The Hindu, 2018), Sub-Collector Divya S Iyer transferred to Local Self Government Department Department (New Indian Express, 2018), Food Kits, #BreakTheChain: How Kerala Made Life Easy During Corona (The Quint, 2020). Beccaynr (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have no objection regarding the reliablity of sources. But all these are just some routine or incidential coverage rather than significant coverage. As per WP:GNG, a topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.T he first source you provided is basically an interview, the second one is about the subject acting in a minor role in a movie, the third, fourth and fifth one is about her marriage (due to the fact she married a member of legislative assembly), the sixth one is about some conteoversy in which she was a part of, the seventh and eight one is also about an incident where she gets transfered to some other place, the last one is basically about how the Kerala goverment fought Covid-19 and she explains that in interview. (This source actually does not gives her any least coverage!). Regards Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 21:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:BASIC states, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability," and I think these sources, taken together, show WP:SUSTAINED coverage of her career, including but not limited to in-depth biographical news coverage because she was a high-profile political figure who married a high-profile political figure, as noted by The Quint in 2017. I also think the first source is not routine or incidental, because it offers context and biographical information about several aspects of her career:

The feel of the stethoscope around her neck after more than a couple of years was familiar yet exciting for Sub-Collector Divya S. Iyer during a visit to Vithura on Sunday.

Ms. Iyer, a physician before becoming embarking on a bureaucratic career, was at a few tribal settlements to take part in a medical camp along with a team from the Indian Institute of Science Education and Research (IISER) here.

The camp was held as part of Unnat Bharat Abhiyan, a Union government programme for rural uplift launched in association with institutions such as IITs, NITs, and IISERs.

Nearly 200 people from the Chathancode, Chemmankala, and Valiakala settlements reached the camp. Of them, 110 had registered as patients, while the rest were accompanying them or had come to meet the Sub-Collector.

The patients reported various health problems, such as joint pain, caused by what looked like rheumatoid arthritis. Then there were cataract cases. A young woman had a skin disease that was pervasive but she had not seen a doctor for it. But what surprised Ms. Iyer the most was coming across cases of hypertension. “One does expect to see this in a tribal area. Some of the people even said that their parents died of it,” Ms. Iyer says.

After the camp, a forest rights committee meeting was held. Ms. Iyer found that the tribal people were not aware of their forest rights, which among other things, allowed them entry into the forests to forage for produce such as honey. “Nothing much had happened in the area of forest rights here in years. As none of them had applied for the certificate for this, forms for the same were distributed,”she said.

Though they lacked access to various amenities, the tribespeople were very aware of things happening around them, she found. They knew about environmental issues, and complained about the impact of tourism on forests – plastics bags and bottles left strewn about, trees being cut.

“It was good to see that. One of the women even remembered Additional Chief Secretary (Home) Nalini Netto’s visit there years ago,” Ms. Iyer recounts.

The loss of their traditional way of life is something that Ms. Iyer is concerned about. “Their traditional ways of occupation, healing, farming and so on were eco-friendly and should not be lost. I have asked the IISER to research and consolidate data on their traditional knowledge,” she said.

Ms. Iyer, who also made time to soak in the pristine beauty of the place, says she wants to hold medical camps for people in various tribal settlements every month.


 * The second source is an interview that includes biographical information about her education, and includes commentary from the publication:

To be a good doctor is no mean job. To be a dedicated IAS officer is an equally daunting task, if not more. In this regard, Dr. Divya S. Iyer takes the cake — she is the sub-collector of Thiruvananthapuram city while also practising as a doctor in her free time.

In this interview, she talks about how school and college shaped her as a person and her views on the education system.


 * The news coverage I was able to quickly find about her film role also includes additional biographical information:

For Dr Divya S. Iyer, art is not a new realm. She has performed on stage before. Hence, it wasn’t so difficult for her to emote in front of the camera, when she made her debut with Eliyammachiyude Adyathe Christmas directed by Benny Ashamsa. [...] In the movie, Divya plays the role of a nun who runs an old age home. “The movie takes us through various stages old people go through. It tells the story of Eliyammachi, played by (KPAC) Lalitha chechi, and her experiences. It is an emotional tale,” explains Divya, who is also the presiding officer of the Senior Citizen Tribunal. Actually, she agreed to act in this movie as it deals with the life of senior citizens. “I keep listening to stories like this in real life. So, I thought it would be good if I could be part of a creative expression that spreads this thought. The reach and impact of movie would be different.” Divya hasn’t taken any remuneration for it.

The shooting of the movie was held at an orphanage in Cherthala. “That was a great learning experience — interacting with them and getting to know about their lives. On the location, it was a wonderful experience working Lalitha chechi and Madhu sir. Being with them and exchanging ideas, it was more like a family,” recalls Divya. Playing the nun’s role has been a calming experience for Divya. The shooting days brought back her childhood memories. “I studied in Holy Angels Convent School. So, right from my childhood I have seen their mannerisms. Several of my teachers flashed in my mind every time I did the scenes,” says Divya, who had a great time on the sets. [...]

The movie will hit theatres on December 1. “If one child decides to take care of her/his parents after watching this movie, I will be happy. It is our right to take care of our parents.” Will she act again? “I will, if the movie complements my profession and conveys a message to society. Creativity shouldn’t be restricted solely to enjoyment. It should be used for social change too. We have the legacy of having art forms like Ottanthullal, invented to convey ideas,” she signs off.


 * The news coverage of her marriage even received commentary because of the scale of the coverage, apparently because it wasn't routine, as noted by The Quint in 2017. And then she continued to be a high-profile political figure, and I only included a few sources that I found quickly as examples of the coverage that focused on her in detail, and also one that includes information about what she has done since then:

The Quint spoke to Dr Divya S Iyer, Mission Director, Mahatma Gandhi NREGA - Kerala, who is also holding additional charges in the Food and Supplies Department during this COVID-19 crisis. She explained how they have identified specific vulnerable areas where there is a dire need of supplies and over 35 lakh food kits have already been distributed.

The doctor-turned IAS officer took charge in 2018 [...]


 * These are sources that I found with a fairly quick review, but I think that the depth and breadth of this coverage demonstrates her notability as a political figure, the availability of sources to support robust biographical content, and the likelihood that additional independent and reliable sources WP:NEXIST. Beccaynr (talk) 22:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment:, I appreciate your effort in saving this article. But I have to tell you a thing. Since I was the firt person who had a look at this article while it was earlier submitted at AFC, I can guarantee you that no others sources exist, which are different from this. Because, I did a WP:Before in both Malayalam and English. When a person does some notable work or something notable else for a long period of time, independent sources, such as newspapers, magazines or anything like that giving the subject a significant coverage about him/her in the form of biography article talking about his/her life and his/her notable works, should be there, inorder to make its notable or pass GNG. In this case, its not possible to find any sources that. Its also better to have a look at WP:NOTNEWS. Regards Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 04:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm glad you mentioned WP:NOTNEWS, because it notes "events must be put into encyclopedic context," and I think it is possible to do that with the biographical content available from multiple sources, because they report more than news, and include information about her childhood, education, various aspects of her career, marriage, and family. The 2017 Quint commentary stood out to me as an indication of her notability as a political figure, and then the coverage I've reviewed seems to fit within the WP:BASIC guideline for what we can use to build encyclopedic content in a BLP. Beccaynr (talk) 05:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: Like the nom said, the subject does not have any significant coverage. The most sources are some news reports which is not sufficient to establish notability. I also agree with one point shown by . There doesn't appear to be much claim of noteworthiness. Poppi fied  <i style="color:skyblue">talk</i> 10:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment There is also: Kerala Insider's 50 Most Influential People of 2020, which includes Iyer, e.g. "She rose to the limelight in being one of the prominent faces handling the coronavirus pandemic, with #BreakThe Chain campaign." There are also reviews of a book she edited, with biographical details: A primer for aspiring diplomats (The Hindu, 2014, "Divya Iyer, who Sreenivasan describes as his “spiritual daughter”, presents Applied Democracy as ‘guru-dakshina’ to her mentor on his 70th birthday."), Applied Diplomacy – A Motivational Book for IFS Aspirants (ClearIAS, 2015). Beccaynr (talk) 20:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Civil service officials are usually non-notable. Most civil servants in most countries make significant effort to avoid being notable, it is kinda a requirement of the job.  That being said, if this individual was involved in some sort of scandal, she may be notable for that event, and BLP1E would not apply to a public servant engaging in illegal or corrupt behavior. Hyperion35 (talk) 23:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I also found another source discussing her work that includes biographical information, Why the current assembly elections are witnessing record voting levels (Economic Times, 2016) and another source describing her as 'prominent,' Kerala women take to the streets on night of Nirbhaya's 7th death anniversary (The News Minute, 2019), which seems like further objective support for her notability, and distinct from coverage without such commentary or information, e.g. Divya S Iyer went by the book in Kuttichal land deal, says collector Vasuki (Manorama, 2018). Beccaynr (talk) 01:44, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I came across a statement that implies that this AfD was initiated in bad faith.  Please see [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=1013314924&oldid=1013314851 here] where editor Kashmorwiki (Kichu) writes:
 * "Inorder to make sure Im right, I set something like a honeytrap by opening these two deletion discussions Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Divya S. Iyer and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prashanth Nair (IAS)"
 * Apparently this editor opened this AfD and another AfD as part of some sort of effort to "trap" a user who they believed was using sockpuppets. This is not what AfD is for.  At all.  AfD is a serious discussion about the merits of individual articles and whether they should be kept on Wikipedia.  If you read through these comments on this AfD, you will see multiple editors who AGF and have gone out of their way to research this topic and discuss various sources.  To go through all of this simply so that an editor can play games with another editor is a waste of our time.  This AfD needs to be speedy closed with prejudice, and perhaps Kashmorwiki/Kichu should refrain from nominating AfDs for a good long time.  I would close this, but as I had already commented, I am an involved user.  Hyperion35 (talk) 02:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , You should not accuse anyone if you dont know the full story. Im not a guy who randomly nominate articles for AFD to play games with any other editors. I have an experience of participting in more than 100 AFD discussions and know the seriousness of it. You should have checked my edit history while making such comments against me. (I assume good faith here). First of all, the main purpose of this is not to trap anyone. Setting the honey trap was only the other side of the coin. When this same user came to with this same draft previously, I declined it. So this is not only honeytrap. This article definetly deserves AFD nomination. So are you saying that this is a well written article? The creator of this article has been warned twice for paid editing (now blocked as a sock). We need to consider all that factors. And have you read the SPI against him.? Seven accounts have been blocked as of now. More to come. So this is not at all bad faith. I have no intention of making this project disruptive. My edit history itself will prove that. And 80 percent of my opinions in AFD's were in favour of my comments. And you can see that most of the articles I nominated has been deleted (75 percent) . ). Finally my doubt has been confirmed. 7 accounts has been blocked for sockpuppetry including the creator of this article itself. . So if I havent set this honeytrap which you said I did in bad faith, I would not have been able to provide evidence. Thankyou, who knows me very well for arguing that I did in good faith. Regards. Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 05:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * u|Kashmorwiki, the proper place to deal with suspected sockpuppets is SPI. I believe that there is a similar place for investigating suspected paid editors.  This page is an AfD, and I see nothing in the guidelines for AfD to suggest that it is the appropriate way to investigate socks or UPE.  Quite the opposite, starting an AfD for those purposes seems to violate POINT.  Whether another user was a sock, a UPE, whether your accusations were proven or unfounded, the number of accounts that have been blocked, these are all irrelevant to an AfD.  I am especially concerned about your last statement that you believe that you would not have been able to prove your point without setting this AfD as a "honeytrap" (as you describe it).  This seems to me to be an admission that you nominated this AfD to prove an unrelated point, clearly violating POINT.
 * As to this specific AfD, I have already stated my views, and I was specific about the sources and information that I considered relevant to my decision. The percentage of your AfD noms that are successful is not relevant and has no bearing on this AfD, nor does the status of the original author of the page.  As I previously stated, my opinion was a weak keep based on the possibility that one specific incident may have made the subject notable.  However, further disruptive editing and irrelevant claims may very well push me from "Weak Keep" to "Keep", as I do not consider any of your stated reasons to meet any of the WP:DEL guidelines. Hyperion35 (talk) 11:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think your concern is that me saying that this is a honeytrap. But I already told you, I already had plan of nominating this because the exact copy of this aricle was declined at AFC. I regret I should not have said the word honeytrap, because some users like you is misinterpreting it. My basic motive here is to delete this article rather than trapping the sock. Please try to accept that. Regards. Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 12:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment To clarify my comment below with regard to the WP:POINT guideline, and specifically the section WP:NOTPOINTy, just because someone is making a point does not mean that they are disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate that point. As a rule, editors engaging in "POINTy" behavior are making edits with which they do not actually agree, for the deliberate purpose of drawing attention and provoking opposition in the hopes of making other editors see their "point". I do not believe there is any basis to conclude that these AfDs were only brought to illustrate a point, or that there is no basis upon which to have a thorough discussion about how to interpret the notability guidelines. Beccaynr (talk) 12:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I considered that interpretation. However, Kichu's response was pretty much devoid of any DEL reasons on which to base a discussion.  Had there been any serious explanation for why this article should still be deleted, I might agree with you, but I am disturbed at the way that they attempted to justify their actions by saying So if I havent set this honeytrap which you said I did in bad faith, I would not have been able to provide evidence.  Given how frequently accusations of sockpuppetry and UPE get thrown around in AfDs, I worry that turning AfD into a place for "sting" operations is going to end badly. On the other hand, I already predicted that enacting the UPE policy would encourage this behavior 6 years ago, so I guess I should just accept that this is the logical endpoint.  I worry that future "honeytrap" AfDs will lead to acccusations that any Keep voters are socks or UPE.  I mean, this has already happened, of course, with regular AfDs, but can you imagine the disruption if AfDs started from that Orwellian point, rather than just being the AfD version of Godwin's Law? Hyperion35 (talk) 12:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , There is a saying in Malayalam Two birds from one shot. This is just like that. You are trying to prove that my whole motive here is to trap the socks. But thats not the case. This was my reason for nomination; The subject has nothing notable to claim to have an independent article. This article was earlier rejected multiple number of times at AFC. The sources are giving some routine coverage about her marriage and pregnancy. That is not sufficient to establish notability. She has no significant coverage hence fails GNG. You can agree with it or not. But please stop me accusing me that I nominated this only with other intentions without even reading the reason for nomination. Your accusation is not at all true and another editor has also said that. So I want you to stop accusing me for the things like This is totally done out of bad faith. I cannot accept that. Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 13:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I have reviewed the pending ANI and the concluded SPI, and particularly due to how it appears that this article was declined at AfC, and in light of Kichu's history as an editor and participation in this discussion, I feel that these AfDs are brought in good faith due to genuine concerns about whether the articles meet Wikipedia guidelines. As an editor who has been researching and participating in the discussion, I do not feel that my time has been wasted. Beccaynr (talk) 03:26, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - I found enough on my WP:BEFORE to pass GNG. Kolma8 (talk) 14:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment:, you must show here what exactly you found on doing WP:Before and should explain, how does it satisfy sigcov and GNG. Just caiming that you have found some sources is not a proper way to participate in an AFD. See Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 15:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * On this particular AfD 83% participants so far in favor of keeping it. My search confirmed Beccaynr's findings to support keeping this article. See above. I think he/she did a great job supporting a keep vote. Cheers, Kolma8 (talk) 05:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am still wondering how did you got 83 percentage. Weak keep means they are not fully satisfied in keeping this article. They still have some concerns. Three users including you voted as keep (excluding the sock). Two users voted as delete. The rest voted as weak keep. By the way, the final decision is not taken based on counting the votes. My friend Beccanyr has done a great job here to rescue the article. But I still believe this subject does not have significant coverage. Regards. Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 06:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 83%... I am good at presenting ratios expressed as fractions of 100. ;) Thanks for your reply and cheers to you and Beccanyr! Kolma8 (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


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