Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dmitrijs Zelenkovs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. When policy changes it can be hard to find a clear consensus because it takes a while for wide acceptance of the new standards to bed in and its not helped by votes that assert a gng pass but don’t provide context of which sources pass and why. Here we have the benefitnof a detailed source analysis but its in the delete side and has not been refuted. The evidence is that the gng is not met so that gives us the outcome. Spartaz Humbug! 06:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Dmitrijs Zelenkovs

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Non-notable footballer. As NFOOTY no longer applies, we need to see GNG from the sources, but they don't even come close to this, and BEFORE finds nothing beyond the usual stats and capsule profiles. Was draftified earlier, but the creator didn't like that, so here we are. Fails WP:GNG / WP:SPORTCRIT. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Football,  and Latvia. DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - it looks like the article creator has created several similar stubs in the last week for Latvian footballers, many of which will require forensic examination too. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:SPORTBASIC Karnataka (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Enough in Latvian language sources to pass WP:BASIC in my opinion. Have you even looked at lv:Dmitrijs Zelenkovs? or ru:Зеленков, Дмитрий? Govvy (talk) 19:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Seems to be enough sources directly on him overall so at least barely passes WP:GNG (haven't searched in Latvian) and RFS are currently playing in Europe so it's not as if he's random. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per SF. GiantSnowman 19:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Looking at the Latvian sources, the first is straight from his football club ❌; the second is a transactional piece with a bit more info than that provided in the referenced press release, but still hardly non-routine SIGCOV ❌; the third is another piece from his club ❌. Govvy SportingFlyer Are there other Latvian language sources y'all are counting? Because a single transfer announcement is most certainly not enough for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 00:06, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There are weak hits here and there all over the place from a some obscure ones from Italy back to Latvia, one example, you can goto a news service like diena.lv and pick up some hits. la.lv have some weak hits, but not very good ones. ir.lv doesn't do sports as far as I am aware. There is a difference between the local newspapers in per regions in Latvia to the national ones. Up to you how you want to vote. But from what I've seen online, it's a weak keep for me, and the reason why I side with Keep is partly what SportingFlyer said. It's rare for a Latvian player to go abroad for football and Zelenkovs played in Italy, although in a youth setup. And now he is called up to their international team. You're just seeing the black and white and not the bigger picture from my point of view. Govvy (talk) 09:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the second source is fine. The third source is from the Latvian federation, not a club. There are other additional sources out there as well - it's not as if this is the entirety of the information. SportingFlyer  T · C  10:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The Latvian federation is still a governing sports organization and so does not count as independent. JoelleJay (talk) 15:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah ok I thought you guys were just referring to the sources on the Latvian wiki. I don't really see why it matters where he's from if he doesn't receive SIGCOV...? The diena.lv hits all just seem like routine match reports. My own searches in Cyrillic didn't return much at all, and I only got transfer announcements and match recaps from 46.lv and Sportazinas. JoelleJay (talk) 16:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete the second ref in the page has enough non-routine information to be considered more than a routine "transactional announcement" and is WP:GNG-passing. However that alone is not enough as all of the other references are non-independent (produced by his team or league).  Frank   Anchor  16:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There are other decent references not currently in the article, though. SportingFlyer  T · C  11:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep: Per provided sources, this just meets the GNG. User:Let'srun 23:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 16:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep passes GNG per sources.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Cleakry significant figure in Latvian football with ongoing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 16:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article comprehensively fails WP:GNG as the sources are either not independent (quotes from the subject, club press releases - even when hosted by a local newspaper, Latvia federation announcements) or not in-depth (a short blurb about his 2015 youth football award). Everything else is routine stuff like match reports or notes about his signing for RFS (which is all derivative of the non-independent club's press release). I don't understand what other editors are seeing that suggests anything approaching SIGCOV exists. Jogurney (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Draftify if possible - not notable right now, but more sources may come out after potential Latvia debut. Otherwise, delete. Paul Vaurie (talk) 08:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


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