Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dmitry Erokhin (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 20:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Dmitry Erokhin

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Advertising for a Russian Wikipedia editor who working for money. Last nomination was fully supported by people's of Dmitry Erokhin, who always support him pages (if have any problems) in Russian Wikipedia ( "fan club"). Author of page Special:Contributions/Mark_Ekimov have 95% PR activity, mostly him pages deleted as PR/promo, have violations of WP:PAID, he take care Erokhin's profile on WikiData. Now the article on the Russian Wikipedia about Erokhin is proposed for removal, users says that he not pass WP:NOTABILITY: he is not a professional athlete, only an amateur activist. Special:Contributions/Дмитрий_Кошелев - inactive user, who mark himself as paid editor (possible vote "for money" or sockpuppet/member "fun club" of Erokhin), Special:Contributions/Ssr - possible Erokhin's lawyer (protect page on ru.wiki: ru:Обсуждение:Ерохин, Дмитрий Юрьевич). Pages on another wikis created by him community or another friends of Erokhin (he have a big PR agency in Russia about create pages on Wikipedia for money, its mean he can pay to people for him PR). Кронас (talk) 07:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am not a lawyer, Erokhin is a lawyer, I cannot protect any page at Wikipedia because I am not an admin with any authority to protect pages. Erokhin is a Wikipedia popularizer and has lots of different friends, many of them wikipedians. Your words about "fan club" violate WP:CIVIL. Being friends with someone does not violate Wikipedia rules. On the contrary, Wikipedia organizers encourage people to be friends and to collaborate on Wikipedia in friendly way. Your personal attacks on other Wikipedians with trying to declare their friendship as evil violate WP:5P. You are trying to delete a biography page about a person by telling how bad other Wikipedians are. This is not a legitimate reason for deletion and contradicts with Wikimedia collaboration and good faith principles. Erokhin's paid Wikipedia activities are properly declared in full compliance with WP:PAID. You are trying to attack him across several language Wikipedias (you confirm that) and your nomination serves purposes of your "global" attack and is not based on English Wikipedia rules. --ssr (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Lawyer isn't mean lawyer as real job, it mean word about paid advocacy. Erokhin isn't "Wikipedia popularizer", he is standard user, who strongly connected with paid advocacy. He need PR-page in Wikipedia about him for promote him services (e.g. "look, I can create page about myself, its mean I can create page about you too... for money"). Words about club have confirmation in my nomination, in last discussion was a 3 users: 1 confirmed undeclared WP:PAID + author of page Dmitry Erokhin + moderator of him Wikidata page, 1 possible sock/mit puppet and 1 (you) possible undeclared WP:PAID (for instance, before you create page Ilya Sachkov, that only PR users show interest on it, in ru-wiki everybody confirm, that pages about Sachkov and Group-IB is strong advertising, in en-wiki your page was deleted as crosswiki spam). Next, I explain about the reason for the removal this page: Erokhin’s records are unofficial and recorded by organization affiliated with him, ho have official international recognition (which was recognized in the deletion discussion in ru.wiki), original page in ru wiki (which was simply translated into English and else 12 languages all by friends and colleagues of Erokhin) was created for PR purposes, and him activity about Wikipedia fully isn't notable. Кронас (talk) 14:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Update: deleted page about Erokhin on es-wiki as cross-wiki PR/spam. Кронас (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Very exciting investigation! I'm your fan! — Дмитрий Кошелев (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The person is notable by WP:BASIC: has articles in RIA Novosti, RT, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, The Moscow News, NTV, Dozhd. — Дмитрий Кошелев (talk) 06:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No have any international and foreighner articles (no have any normal sources in English), only in russian news, where is can buy page very easy and for small money (look like this Erokhin has a big salary and can pay easly). Wikipedia need independent and highly respected sources. But your sources is mix of interviews, some short references and promo pages. Regards, Alexei 5.101.194.158 (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the Eurosport a fairly independent source (1, 2)? – Дмитрий Кошелев (talk) 16:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:NSPORT ("Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability"). Clearly WP:G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion) + undisclosed WP:PAID. Important: 64% of pages deleted as promotion. 166.239.110.60 (talk) 07:16, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 17:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, no extra value is added since previous nomination but nomination only talks about how bad are some users regardless of article content, which approach is prohibited. --ssr (talk) 11:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT. Perhaps there's a genuine wiki-notability case buried under all the self-promotion, but it's not our job to find it. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. He obviously is not notable as a WP:SPORTSPERSON, because he is an activist. But I do not believe there is enough coverage of his activism, either related to sports or related to Wikipedia (which is something in between popularizing ruwiki and creating PR-articles in it, unfortunately). Wikisaurus (talk) 15:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Evidently non-notable as an athlete, Wikipedia activity though noble bends toward self promotion. No Swan So Fine (talk) 22:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not notable by WP:SPORTSPERSON, sources isn’t independent. Person is just some local activist who like connect with some newspapers and agencies, he just like running everywhere. Else too much PR activity, Wikipedia isn’t a soapbox or means of promotions (per WP:PROMOTION). 94.25.170.164 (talk) 10:51, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


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