Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dmytrо Vorona


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The consensus is that this person meets the notability criteria. Prior to any future re-submission for deletion, I would suggest that a discussion is held at NPOL's talk page to verify whether or not "deputy minister" meets the GNG criteria, but in this instance, the consensus is that it does meet it.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Dmytrо Vorona

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Hard to find any reliable sources that confirm his notability. Fails WP:GNG in my opinion. JTtheOG (talk) 04:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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Delete Found nothing.Greek Legend (talk) 08:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC) blocked sockpuppet Atlantic306 (talk) 18:15, 12 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Deputy ministers are senior enough to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:03, 3 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Inherently notable, meets WP:NPOL as a politician having held nationwide office. AusLondonder (talk) 02:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Something smells wrong here. If the subject had held these deputy minister positions then I would expect to be able to find sources for them in the Latin alphabet, but I can find nothing. The source in the article merely says that he was chairman of the State Registration Service, which doesn't sound to me, as someone who is admittedly unfamilar with said State Registration Service, like something that would qualify him for notability per WP:POLITICIAN. If anyone can provide a reliable source saying that he has been a deputy minister then I will happily support keeping, but otherwise this is a  delete . 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, this source corroborates the info on him being deputy justice minister in 2012–13. (Ukrinform is the national news agency of Ukraine.) — Nizolan  (talk) 01:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have accordingly stricken my "delete" opinion above. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 08:15, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, but remove all information that is not present in the two references provided as per WP:BLP. Bradv  19:13, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Definitely passes WP:GNG. DaltonCastle (talk) 01:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Deputy minister", which is a civil service position and not a political one per se, is a position which can get a person into Wikipedia if they're the subject of enough reliable source coverage to pass WP:GNG — but it is not a position that entitles a person to an automatic inclusion freebie just because they can be verified as existing. But the only reliable source that's been shown here is a 98 word blurb announcing his appointment — which is not enough media coverage to constitute a GNG pass. Sources do not have to be in Latin script — Ukrainian language sources are perfectly acceptable — but there absolutely, unequivocally have to be a lot more of them than this. Delete, without prejudice against recreation if a significantly better volume of sourcing can be located. Bearcat (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The position of Deputy Minister is not inherently a civil service position. For example, see Deputy Ministers of Tanzania and Deputy Minister for Macedonia and Thrace AusLondonder (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Except we're not talking about Tanzania or Macedonia and Thrace; we're talking about Ukraine. In Ukraine, as in many other countries including my own, "deputy minister" is a civil service position, as evidenced by the fact that this article says and sources nothing about Dmytro Vorona having been elected to any legislative body (which would have gotten him over WP:NPOL regardless of any quibbles about the meaning of "deputy minister"). Bearcat (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You could say that about secretaries in the United States Cabinet too. They're also appointed officials and not elected, but I don't think anyone has ever disputed that they're covered by WP:POLITICIAN. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


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