Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Do You Know Where You're Going To? (Theme from Mahogany) (Mariah Carey song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus (12 keep, 7 delete, 4 merge). However, I did move the article to Do You Know Where You're Going To? (Theme from Mahogany) (Mariah Carey recording).  Rob e  rt  23:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Do You Know Where You're Going To? (Theme from Mahogany) (Mariah Carey song)
Article about a cover of a Diana Ross song. This song was not a hit in any country, and was not given a full release as a single. The article fails to establish any other notablility, and therefor the neccessity for a seperate article is questionable. Not even the orignal song has enough information availabel on it to honestly have its own article (this article was in fact written first, with only passing mention to the more notable original). The original version had a stub article which I have now merged and redirected to Mahogany (1975 film), where it reads better (well, at least I am trying to redirect it, although OmegaWikipedia seems intent on reverting the redirection, for unexplained reasons). Suggest a redirect for this article to the album, with summarization of article text. If and when someone wants to write one article about the composition and any notable recorded versions of it, and has enough information and established notablility to do so, it can be done. FuriousFreddy 01:54, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Mariah Carey's version of Do You Know Where You're Going To? (Theme from Mahogany) is far from a promotional recording. It was meant to be a full single, but there's a whole story behind it on why it got cancelled due to conflicts with other artists and with record labels. That's notability right there. If you merge or delete the article, thast information that will get lost. One article per song doesnt' look good. And in a prior attempt to merge songs over another article, most people commented that it did not look good OmegaWikipedia 12:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Singles get cancelled all the time. A single getting cancelled because of record-label politics does not establish notability. An article on this recording is overkill, a paragraph on an album article is more than enough. --FuriousFreddy 21:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Whereas I believe singles should have a place on wiki, I don't think promo recordings do. - Hahnchen 02:42, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is far from a promo recording. Please get your facts right OmegaWikipedia 02:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to album, as per WP:ALBUM. Jkelly 03:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Why not? Joaquin Murietta 07:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable; it's essentially fan-cruft. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with a merge, but Delete because otherwise my vote will be counted as a keep by some people. --fvw *  12:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. History provided by Omega above does not establish notability.  One or two sentences could be merged to artist's article if not already there.  Barno 15:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Ultimate Star Wars Freak 15:14, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, very rewarding article. This level of coverage is one of wikipedia's strengths. Kappa 16:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Move to Do You Know Where You're Going To? (Theme from Mahogany) (Mariah Carey recording) as Mariah didn't write this, only recorded it.  Un  focused  17:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kappa that this level of coverage is a strength of Wikipedia. I could understand the urge to merge this one, but the album article would be way too long that way. Keep where it is, or move and keep per Unfocused (I don't care much where it is, so long as it stays and doesn't clutter the main album article). --Jacquelyn Marie 21:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. If doing so would cause a consensus to be formed, this may also be interpreted as a "delete" or "redirect". --Carnildo 21:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. You will not be removing this article. It may fail to deliver much information, but it is still a part of the Mariah Carey discography. Winnermario 22:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * But "part of the Mariah Carey discography" isn't grounds for keeping an article in Wikipedia. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:46, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Winnermario, your tone is improper and unappreciated. --FuriousFreddy 01:06, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I appreciate his tone. --Anittas 06:11, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. --Anittas 06:11, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonexistant recording. Winnermario, watch your Wikiquette.  User:Zoe|(talk) 07:02, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Musicpvm 07:53, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Number 1's (Mariah Carey album), per Jkelly. Extraordinary Machine 11:20, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge and redirect. Not notable enough to have a separate article. Phronima 13:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It was released as a single and had remixes. We have articles about all Mariah singles. It would mess up their chronology if this article were deleted. Alensha 15:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "It would mess up their chronology if this article were deleted." How? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There's an infobox in the singles' articles. Each of them links to the previous single and the next single. It would look odd if it linked to the article of an album or different song, ad those couldn't include the singles' infobox. Alensha 11:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * A redirect to the single's album easily solves that problem. It also ads the benefit of a ombined album/single chronology. --FuriousFreddy 14:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge with album article. -Sean Curtin 00:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP : Mariah's singles are an important part of knowing the work she has accomplished throughout the years. Why delete this page? What have we got to lose? I think that having the most information as possible about a singer, like Mariah Carey in this case, should be keeped if possible. I suggest to build a Mariah page and Diana Ross page of the both songs and put links between each other!Mczelda 04:46, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This user's fifteenth edit, of which three have been to (Mariah Carey) articles and five to other AfDs on Carey sngles. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, don't merge. Everyking 07:42, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge. Individual recordings of songs are intrinsically non-notable. Susvolans ⇔ 16:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Do not request for deletion just because you do not like an artist. DrippingInk 20:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * WHere do people get the idea that I nominated this because I supposedly don't like Mariah Carey? --FuriousFreddy 19:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It has too much text to be merged anywhere. "The song" section could be in the article about the original song, though. You could describe in this article instead, how the version differs from the original recording. I believe that all singles by notable artists or bands are notable, and the articles about them should be kept, if they have enough text. -Hapsiainen 11:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * A bloated article does not neccessitate a merge. --FuriousFreddy 19:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that the article has enough substance, and I couldn't find any bloat. (I counted and classified the paragraphs in my head before I made my vote.) You can judge from my comment that I at least read the article caryfully, otherwise I couldn't have offerred detailed ideas about its further development. -Hapsiainen 14:45, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.