Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dobruja Tatar language


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Redirected. The author redirected the article so there is no reason to keep the AFD open. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Dobruja Tatar language

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Although the page is sourced, the Dobruja Tatars are generally considered to be a subgroup of the Crimea Tatars, including their language as far as I know. I've also not found evidence that there's a Dobrujan dialect of the Crimean Tatar language (although I haven't searched in depth) so I am proposing to redirect this to Crimean Tatar language. Note that the cited sources don't talk about a separate Dobrujan Tatar language. Notably the seventh source is titled "Crimean Tatar-Romanian dictionary". Super  Ψ   Dro  21:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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 * Redirect — the totality of the sources would seem to indicate that no separate language or dialect exists among the Crimean Tatars of Dobruja. — Biruitorul Talk 21:44, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me if I came across as separatist. But I mean the dialect, I'm a Tatar from Dobruja myself and we have a different dialect. If necessary we can rename the page, for example "Dobruja dialect", "Dobruja dialect of Crimean Tatar" and other possibilities. And there are a lot of references that it is a dialect. Unfortunately, I can't speak English well, that may be the reason, I would have been happy if you could help me in creating of this page. TayfunEt. (talk)
 * Does that source explicitly say Dobrujan Tatar is a different language/dialect, or does it only use the term "Romanian Tatar" (which excludes the Tatars in Bulgarian Dobruja, even if they're few, so I wouldn't use it)? According to this source (page 320): "in Dobruja, even nowadays form three subgroups, depending on the spoken dialect. The majority speak Crimean Tatar (kîrîm Tili); the second largest group are the Tatars who speak the Noghai dialect (noghai Tili) and along the sea coast is the group that speaks the so-called coast dialect or the Dobruja Tatar dialect (yaliboyi Tili).", the Dobruja Tatars speak a total of three dialects of Crimean Tatar, which according to the Crimean Tatar article page, are precisely the three Crimean Tatar dialects that exist in the world (standard Crimean Tatar, Nogay Crimean Tatar and coastal Crimean Tatar). It thus seems Dobrujan Tatars don't have an unitary and distinct dialect.
 * Languages with a low number of speakers do not usually have separate articles for their dialects, primarily because there is little linguistic study of them. Therefore, I would advise to write an article on the Crimean Tatar dialects instead. Languages such as Aragonese with as few as 30,000 speakers (10 times less than Crimean Tatar) have such articles, although none of their specific dialects have a page. At Category:Dialects by language you can look at more examples. Super   Ψ   Dro  09:29, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I will try to change this page... TayfunEt. (talk) 13:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Question: aren't redirects supposed to be discussed at WP:RFD rather than WP:AFD? — Mhawk10 (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Check the article's history. Although since the article creator has willingly redirected this page and created another which is a good target for it we could just close this AfD now. Super   Ψ   Dro  19:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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