Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doc James E. Smith


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The result was   no consensus. Moved to James E. Smith (Bible scholar). King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Doc James E. Smith

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No clear claims of notability beyond authoring a number of books and having held the post of Academic Dean in the past, neither of which meets WP:PROF. Has written a number of books, but most are self published via lulu.com. Very common name makes searching for references that might help this article meet WP:BIO especially difficult. RadioFan (talk) 11:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. If religious groups use his writings there should be secondary sources. MiRroar (talk) 20:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. He was "Distinguished Professor of Bible" at Florida Christian College. Criterion 5 of WP:PROF says that an academic is notable if he or she The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research. Now, it doesn't say what "major" means, and presumably this is different to "notable", but we do have some grounds for keeping the article here. The article needs a massive cleanup, though, starting with a renaming. He appears simply as "James Smith" on the FCC faculty page. StAnselm (talk) 03:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Major is open to interpretation but with a student body of 300, I'd have trouble calling this college "major". A good percentage of elementary schools in North America have larger enrollments than this college.  With that in mind, this person still fails WP:PROF--RadioFan (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Lacks notability. This is an individual who works for a small college - and has not make any impact on Academia. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename I have just edited his list of books into a readable form. I assume that "Distinguished professor" is the equivalent of professor (according to British usage).  Both that and the extent of his publications suggest notability.  However "Doc" is presumably merely Dr (i.e. holder of Ph.D. or similar doctorate).  This ought not to be included in the article title.  Since James E. Smith already exists (also James E. Smith, Jr., not to mention James Edward Smith and James Edward Smith (Toronto)), this needs to be moved to James E. Smith (Bible scholar) or such like and a dabpage created.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Borderline notability. Not a scholar, but an education and minister . Distinguished Professor is only significant at an actual research university, not a 300-student bible college. Not notable as an author, because his books are almost all self-published ; two of the ones on the prophets  however do have respectable WorldCat holdings, , so he might be regarded as an expert on that subject. Much of the article is probably a copyvio, and will need to be rewritten.  DGG ( talk ) 02:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
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