Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doktor Avalanche


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The result was   merge to The Sisters of Mercy. The Keep arguments arguing inherent notability and OTHERSTUFFEXISTS are not as convincing as the Delete arguments centered on lack of notability in reliable sources.  MBisanz  talk 22:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Doktor Avalanche

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Notability in question. It's essentially a nickname given to the drum machines for a band which is notable, but not a band so exceptionally notable to the extent that a seperate article is required for what is essentially fancruft. No third party sources whatsoever. Doesn't deserve a seperate article, no sources, cruft. Would be better as a redirect to the band where this can be mentioned briefly in the main article. J. F. Mam J. Jason Dee (talk) 01:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge. not that notable. Empire3131 (talk) 01:45, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 05:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Unlike other bands using drum machines, Doktor Avalanche has been presented just like "he" is another band member.  If past and present band members are notable enough for their own articles, why not the good Doktor?  14:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astronaut (talk • contribs) on 14:01, 27 December 2008
 * Merge and redirect. This is an entry on how the band uses drum machines rather than an article on a band member. It may be worth keeping in the main article, but there's insufficient reason to have a separate entry.-= Mgm|(talk) 18:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: insufficient notability. JamesBurns (talk) 03:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: per Astronaut. The name and "band member" mythology was provided by the band itself back in 1981. This makes the subject notable IMHO, although the present state of the article doesn't reflect that (hence, the article needs improving, not deleting). Compare the individual entries for Gorillaz "band members" on WP: here, here, here and and here. If we are deleting or merge/redirecting Doktor Avalanche, then the same should automatically apply to these four fictional band member articles, which also currently fail to demonstrate notability outside of the band context. But merging these back into the main Gorillaz article would cause a big mess in that article - and six months from now, the individual articles would be broken out again by editors attempting to tidy things up. Same would apply here, if you tried to merge this into the Sisters of Mercy article. IMO, for the sake of consistency, all five articles should remain on WP, but all should be improved. --DaveG12345 (talk) 12:39, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: The band itself is a notable one, globally known, so band members would deserve a page anyway. But Dr avalanche is not simply a member, but a unique rock band member, as he is not a human, nut is treated as one, eg listed on the CD as a member. This article is informative, as it is about a non-living band member, which is quite unusual. I know quite number of SOM fans, we all know about the "dok", as the band and fans call this special member. "He" is treated like a human member, so I think the page should be kept, for double reason: member of a famous band; a machine treated by band and fans as a member. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.119.29 (talk) 00:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


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