Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dolau Hafod a Winllan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Dolau Hafod a Winllan

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Proposed deletion with : "This is not the SSSI, which would correctly be "Dolau Hafod a Winllan", but additionally to being incorrectly titled, there is nothing to say about this that is not already said in List of SSSIs in Ceredigion. Dolau is "meadows" and this is not a legally recognised place, so not notable per WP:GEOLAND]. Any information about the SSSI in general can and should be on the page curating SSSI information." An editor moved the page to the correct name of the SSSI but another editor removed PROD saying: " It is a 'legally recognised place' - that's what an SSSI *is*. And GEOLAND also applies to named geographic features."

The reasoning is in error. The name of the SSSI merely describes the bound of an area of special scientific interest for some reason, and rarely maps to an exact recognised or named location. Over 12% of Wales is recorded as an SSSI, and this confers no legal status per WP:GEOLAND.

Furthermore the reasoning is in error because the name of the SSSI is not a name of a featured area. It is the name of two featured areas in close proximity. Meadow land and Winllan - a vineyard. Not a named vineyard, and not contiguous with the meadows. This is two separate locations treated together in an SSSI definition because they are geographically close and relate to the same matter of interest. OS data shows neither.

So there is clearly no automatic pass per WP:GEOLAND. The real question is whether any article can be written about this. Are there any secondary sources, treatments etc? WP:BEFORE turns up nothing. Wikipedia notability is about the question of whether a page can, in principle, be written about the subject. On this subject the answer to that appears to be no, and this fails WP:N for an article. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Wales. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final redirect. Any other possible redirect targets? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * REDIRECT: to List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Ceredigion. MurrayGreshler (talk) 22:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * MurrayGreshler, this is a redirect page. We don't want to redirect to a redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 07:45, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. Sorry. MurrayGreshler (talk) 07:46, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - I can't find anything specifically written about this sssi. JMWt (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.