Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominic H. Francisco


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. SarahStierch (talk) 17:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Dominic H. Francisco

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Fayedizard has already nominated two related articles for deletion (here and here). Upon my efforts to source those articles, I've concluded that none of the related material meets the music and musicians notability standards. All of the references to this article, the album articles I have bundled with it, and the articles previously nominated are self-published, lack editorial control, or are otherwise suspect. The awards won by these albums are not major, established awards. In fact, the American Instrumental Music Award, the California Indie Music Award, and the Western Grammy Award are all hosted exclusively on Google Sites. The sales certifications are sourced to the artist's own Bandcamp microsite, and are therefore self-published. The record labels involved are similarly tenuous and appear to exist only within the confines of Bandcamp and Google Sites. I cannot find any review in any industry periodical or at any site with editorial control. The minimal listing at allmusic is certainly insufficient. Bundled with this nomination are the albums which have not already been nominated for deletion under separate listings.
 * Russian Horrors
 * New Terrain
 * Baltic Dreams

- Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Articles fail to document notability per WP:NM. Squeamish Ossifrage explains it so well. For the past few days, I have been trying to persuade the articles' creator to provide reliable secondary sources, but none have been supplied. – Wdchk (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all - per nom. Not that it matters, but the music is also terrible, imho. --Malerooster (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Very good explanation, by the way. It's like a circle of notability claims. The artist is notable because he made these albums; the albums are notable because they were made by the artist; the labels are notable because they carry these albums; the awards are notable for...no apparent reason. I particularly like this quote from the AIMA's website: You may ask yourself, "Is this site trustworthy? Is this organization legitimate? It's on a Google site, after all." The answer is yes, we are a legitimate organization. But they still don't tell us who they are, where they are located, what their qualifications are, etc. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I too had failed to find evidence of notability on a first encounter with this weave of articles when I put an Autobiography warning notice on User talk:Dhf510; the nominator has done a more substantial review. So awards appear non-notable, references to CD Baby are plainly inadequate, and there is no evdence of proper WP:RS notice. AllyD (talk) 18:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't Delete Don't delete it. What's the deal with the awards being non-reputable? Because they're based from google sites? Is everything about money? Is that all that notability is? How much money someone has? God, leave it alone. Do you have to shoot down peoples' dreams? Dhf510 —Preceding undated comment added 09:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Dfh510, thank you for joining in this discussion. What we're trying to do is to establish whether the articles meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music-related topics, as documented at WP:NM. The point about the awards is important because one of the criteria that would establish notability is "Has won or been nominated for a major music award". If you believe these articles meet the documented standard, you are welcome to explain your reasoning – but please do make specific reference to the guideline. – Wdchk (talk) 22:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete I'd like to address User:Someguy1221. When you say that "The artist is notable because he made these albums; the albums are notable because they were made by the artist; the labels are notable because they carry these albums; the awards are notable for...no apparent reason", isn't that really how all of music works? You're a bully, leave this page alone. User:Dhf510 (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Dhf510, nice to see you chatting on the boards a bit - can I take this oppertunity to ask if you are the subject of the article? (i.e. are you Dominic H. Francisco?) You, of course, don't have to answer.Fayedizard (talk) 14:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fayedizard, yes I am. (talk) 15:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.86.218.26 (talk)
 * Delete all as they fall short on WP:NM, as others have convincingly demonstrated. --Batard0 (talk) 11:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.