Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Domnia The Dobrogean


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The result was delete. If anyone does further research on this and does discover sources, feel free to message me and we can look into restoring the page. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Domnia The Dobrogean

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Subject does not appear to have been mentioned in any reliable sources whatsoever. The only reference in the article is to a WP:USERGENERATED wiki. None of the ancient sources cited in Tigidius Perennis mention the name of his wife, or where she was from. In fact, subject appears to have been entirely made up. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 11:41, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Indeed. The only source is rodovid, which "is open to everyone" and where "visitors are welcome to contribute information and publish it ... at any time". So much for reliability. Like the nominator I could find no trace of the lady in textual or epigraphic sources. Moreover Domnia (cf. domina) is hardly a Germanic name and the etymology of "Dobruja" is Slavic. Mildly amusing. 84.73.134.206 (talk) 12:31, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. No sources - and wasn't able to find any either. I'm not sure there were Lombards (Langobard) (as a recognized group in the Roman empire) in 180. Domnia is an unlikely name. And Dobrogean seems to refer to an area on the Black Sea (Dobruja - from a quick google check) which is also unlikely.Icewhiz (talk) 06:33, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Tacitus mentions the Langobardi as part of the Marbod bund: "Igitur non modo Cherusci sociique eorum, vetus Arminii miles, sumpsere bellum, sed e regno etiam Marobodui Suebae gentes, Semnones ac Langobardi, defecere ad eum." 84.73.134.206 (talk) 07:20, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You are correct - they are known from approx. the 1st century - from north-western Germany. Still no sources.Icewhiz (talk) 07:36, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't been able to find corroboration for this story anywhere. The main source for Tigidius Perennis seems to be Herodian: - and he doesn't mention an execution of a wife - just Perennis and a single unnamed son. This article is asserting the execution of Perennis + wife + 3 childredn.Icewhiz (talk) 07:52, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The relevant source is Dio Cassius, which tells of the killing of Perennis, his wife, and his two sons here (English translation). But it doesn't name Perennis' wife or children, and contradicts our article on the number of children... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess that if you combine Herodian (who tells of killing of his son in a separate incident) and Dio Cassius - you could (SYNTH) get 1+2+1 = 1+3. But still no Domnia (or son names).Icewhiz (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. It looks like the ultimate source of those pages on "Rodovid" is the Harleian genealogies, which is a medieval pseudo-historical text so it would make sense that the name is anachronistic and that she isn't mentioned in genuine primary sources. However I haven't got any further in verifying that there's actually a "Domnia the Dobrogean" in it, and even if there was, without further discussion in secondary sources this wouldn't pass WP:OR or WP:N. Still, if someone with better access to medieval history sources (and the inclination to trawl through them) can find something, I'd be happy to change my !vote. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Much of the early content of Welsh genealogies (e.g. in Harleian genealogies) is probably essentially the result of medieval invention. This are not a reliable historical source.  Even if we kept the article it would need to be tagged as a stub by it is a stub that could only be expanded by WP:OR, because nothing is known.  Such things do not belong in an encyclopedia.  Conceivably we might allow an article recording the whole genealogy of which this is part, with appropriate commentary as to its probable unreliability.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


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