Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Domnina (daughter of Nero)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No prejudice towards a merge discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Domnina (daughter of Nero)

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Contested prod, very obscure fictitious character. PatGallacher (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
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KEEP -- not so obscure, if you're studying medieval legends, christian legends, Neronian legends, or the "lives" of saints,  etc. one way or another, we do NEED to provide some coverage of the subject here; simply "disappearing" it is not an acceptable solution.

(i will quietly note here, that the nominator's contrib history shows no interest in any of these topics)

it is also useful to have the article for disambig purposes see:  Domnina. There's no way to adequately condense this info to fit into 1 line on a disambiguation page.

i did suggest the {prod/delete}-er try to find a suitable merge, if they felt that strongly about it, but they don't seem to be interested... (or they could otherwise re-work the material; perhaps into a renamed article with a different focus)

Lx 121 (talk) 08:43, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:45, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Reply I am open to persuasion if this person is mentioned in more than one obscure legend, but this needs to be clarified, the referencing should be improved. Maybe we could merge it, but what into?  I am interested in ensuring Christian converts from paganism are properly dealt with, see my edit to Leif Ericson a while back. PatGallacher (talk) 15:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Restructure -- At present Photini redirects to the story of the Samaritan Woman at the Well in John 4. Giving her a name is a late antique invention; so probably is Domnina.  Nevertheless, the story exists, even if it is a late antique pious fiction.  We should thus not be deleting the subject out of hand.  I am also unhappy about mixing biblical truth with later amplifications (fiction).  I would accordingly suggest:
 * Create article on Photini (whose spelling I may have wrong).
 * Redirect this article to it, unless there is another independent tradition about Domnina.
 * Add a short section to the article on the Samaritan Woman, referring to the later traditions.
 * If WP was being prepared in (say) AD 400, we would have referred to this as WP:OR, but we are in 2013, not 1600 years earlier.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * comment -- i don't claim to be an expert on all neronian-christian legends, but i KNOW "virgil in the basket", i did the commonscat for it & i have one of the illustrations, irl. the identity of the "femme fatale" varies btwn "febilla", "the emperor's daughter", & "nero's daughter", sometimes named as domnina, sometimes unnamed.   his actual daughter hasn't turned up in any version i've come across, & oddly enough nero & his "daughter" are more popular in this tale than augustus & julia, even though that would at least be possible in terms of the timing. i suppose that's because he's such a great villain & fits better into the timeline of christianity (augustus having been mentioned @ jesus' birth). Lx 121 (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide a citation for a version of Virgil in the basket which explicitly either uses the name Domnina for the femme fatale or connects the story to the legend of Saint Photina? Without one, we simply have two legends referring to a "daughter of Nero", with no indication that they are supposed to be the same person. (By the way, if such a citation is provided, then Keep; otherwise, rewrite the section relating to Saint Photina and either move it to Saint Photina (or Photine or Fotini or whatever) or merge into a separate section of Samaritan woman at the well. PWilkinson (talk) 22:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Adequate sourcing supplied to meet GNG. Jclemens (talk) 04:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Invalid deletion criterion; there are scores of book references for this (probably imaginary) character. -- 101.119.15.209 (talk) 09:27, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge into Samaritan woman at the well, which is not so long or convoluted. Bearian (talk) 21:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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