Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Domnus of Stridon


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The result was keep. Good consensus to keep. I shall rename as "Domnus of Pannonia" as that has a slight rough consensus. A chat on the article talk page for a different name can always be made (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear (talk) 10:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Domnus of Stridon

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Reason as explained on Talk:First Council of Nicaea:

Domnus of Stridon as one of only five attendants of the council from the Western part of the empire, has most likely never existed. In Gelzer's book Patrum Nicaenorum nomina, which seems to be the most accurate source for him, the index of council fathers lists only Budius of Stobi (probably missread as Strobi and so on Stribon; see pages XLIV, 56 and 247) and Domnus of Pannonia, listed directly after him. In the list in page 56 Domnus is also mentioned as metropolitanus (of metropolis) - and Stridon has never been a capital of any Pannonia (he was located in Dalmatia). It seems that the name of Domnus of Stridon was coined by mistake from names of these two bishops. This error was pointed out by Frane Bulić in his article Stridon (page 13) as early as 1920. The second possible source of missreading could be on the page 89 in the same book (as cited in footnotes of Domnus of Stridon) where Domnus of Trapezunt and Stratolius of Piteunt are listed, again mistakenly coined to Domnus of Stridon. But this hypothesis seems to be less relevant, since these two bishops came from Pontus Polemoniacus, which was part of the Eastern part of the empire. --Janezdrilc (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete no evidence this was a real person. John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Also in the First Council of Nicaea the name should be changed to Domnus of Pannonia with explanation that in some secondary sources (like here or here) he is referred to as "of Stridon", although Stridon has never been an episcopal see according to known data. --Janezdrilc (talk) 09:43, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes  16:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:21, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:21, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: The fact that he never existed isn't itself a reason for deletion. He may well qualify for Category:Legendary people. StAnselm (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep (perhaps renamed) -- Stridon was his birthplace, so that it is an appropriate description of him. It does not help that Pannonia, his see, has been piped as "Danube".  Perhaps the article should be renamed to Domnus of Pannonia or Domnus, Bishop of Pannonia, leaving a redirect.  In fact neither of these is likely to be his formal name.  If he was a Roman citizen, as is likely, he would have had a forename, a name and a cognomen, but the chances are that we do not know any of these; or for that matter anything else about him.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:00, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Janezdrilc, User:Johnpacklambert, User:StAnselm and User:Peterkingiron: I have completely rewritten the article. I think it should be kept, but re-titled as Domnus of Sirmium or even Domnus of Pannonia. Thanks, Srnec (talk) 18:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Domnus of Pannonia per the above discussion. StAnselm (talk) 20:06, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename seems reasonable now. Maybe to add: Stridon most probably did not have bishops (Marijan Mandac is convinced Stridon was an episcopal see, although Frane Bulić is convinced opposite; source: Rafko Valenčič, Sveti Hieronim – mož s Krasa, Družina, Ljubljana 2007, pages 65, 89.). Second: Existing of Domnus of Stridon would probably be a sufficient proof that Stridon was an episcopal see as allmost all Nicaean fathers are named together with cities where they had served as bishops. --Janezdrilc (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. Move as needed. Bearian (talk) 02:16, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Domnus bishop of Sirmium meets WP:CLERGY. BEFORE shows sources on this early bishop. Agree article should be re-titled (no firm opnion on Domnus of Pannonia vs. Domnus of Sirmium - both seem good - unsure of early Bishop naming conventions). We should keep the current title as redirect.Icewhiz (talk) 10:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and probably rename.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


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