Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Leave (Simba Tagz song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 07:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't Leave (Simba Tagz song)

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Orphaned, does not meet WP:NSONG 162 etc. (talk) 16:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: This discussion could use more editors familiar with African media sources. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Music,  and Zimbabwe.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - it looks like a notable song within Zimbabwe to me, particularly given the collaboration between a well-known artist and a Nigerian star, as attested by the Zimbabwe Mail reference in the article (which has sadly gone dead due to a change of website and lack of archiving) as well as . A lot of African nations lag behind the West in terms of internet coverage, so it is not sufficient to simply comb the internet for news hits as one might in the US, the print media has to be taken into account too. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NSONG per Amakuru's argument. Sources presented are relialbe enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 01:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - The keep votes above are not convincing. The sources presented in those votes and the article itself are unreliable blog reviews and self-promotions. I can find no confirmation that the song received even one, much less "numerous", nominations at the Zimbabwe Music Awards, except for loose allusions in those same blog reviews. That awards ceremony itself gets very little reliable media coverage. Furthermore, claiming that African music is behind in online sources is no longer a convincing excuse, because this rapper seems to have no trouble promoting himself online. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The question isn't whether the rapper can self-promote, it's whether the sort of reliable sources which would otherwise convey notability and reflect a general sense that the individual is notable within the country, are available online. African countries still use print media a lot, so we have to be more creative in assessing the true value, and I think the sources I've given are sufficient to demonstrate that this song is well-known and likely to have print coverage. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Amakuru. People sometimes forget about the newspapers.com archives and the fact not everything happens on the internet. Especially in Africa, there is a strong reliance on print media and "word of mouth" still. The newspapers that do have a digital department are not as advanced or developed as the ones in more developed countries. Rlink2 (talk) 04:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment paper sources are fine, but they must exist, and they must be independent. This applies to every country in the world, of every culture. I am as keen to avoid systematic bias as anyone, but if we start to tolerate second-rate sourcing, we're not only being rather patronising towards other cultures, but pushing Wikipedia towards becoming a social media blog. Elemimele (talk) 09:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Another Comment: Right, we now have three people saying that those offline sources exist. Well if they do, then name them instead of waiting for someone else to miraculously find them. All you need is a formal citation like "Harare Times, October 1, 2021, p. 2". That is sufficient for a footnote in a Wikipedia article. It's not systemic bias to call on someone to show the very same evidence that they already said existed. If I told you that I have a Grammy Award and you asked to see it, what would you think if I merely said again that I have it? ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 17:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


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