Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don Angier


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The result was delete. The two sources in question were (1) a piece by the subject, and (2) a passing mention in an interview. czar ⨹   16:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Don Angier

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No claims of notability that would meet the martial arts notability criteria and the article's only sources are primary.Jakejr (talk) 15:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


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 * Keep I'll admit this is a tough call but Angier is quite unique.  He stands out from all the US's (ok the world's) self declared Soke in having a verifiable and traceable lineage.  There are one or two others but I think he was the first.  I removed the bugei.com reference since that was in effect a copy of the article in Journal of Combative Sport which itself is a copy of the Aikido Journal but both those latter are reliable publications.  A search pulls quite a few hits on Black Belt magazine which in my mind is less reliable than the first two but considered acceptable by many.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * How can you call an article that starts "I was born ..." not a primary source? His claim that he learned an unknown martial art from its sole surviving master, who also was a local handyman, seems like bullshido to me.Jakejr (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry you are right - it was written by Don (I remembered it as an interview). Still the two Journals are credible sources.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I added the interview I was thinking of, also found on Aikido Journal, and not with Don. It supports statements made in the primary source and the stub.  There is definate room for expansion and further supporting refs.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * He's mentioned in one paragraph. I don't think either of the article's sources meet the requirements of GNG.Jakejr (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (rap)  @ 21:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete As it's currently written, the article does not meet WP:GNG, nor do I believe it meets WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 03:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * Delete No significant independent coverage and nothing to show he meets the notability criteria for martial artists.Mdtemp (talk) 21:00, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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