Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don César de Bazan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. --Ezeu 21:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Don César de Bazan

 * Delete  non notable opera Strothra 20:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Notable Opera Dominick (TALK) 20:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep seems notable. --Ton e  20:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep notable classical composer(several of his other operas have articles. Crazynas 22:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep It seems to fail the relevant proposed policy and WP:Music doesn't apply neatly. Nonetheless, modern music (usually defended by fans) seems to pass AfD muster a lot more easily than this (or just gets ignored altogether). --Chaser (T, C, e) 04:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * keep. It is not one of Massenet's best-known operas, and apparently it was a failure in its own time (according to an obituary I looked up), but it seems to be available on CD, and a whole opera by a well-know composer must certainly be at least as notable as most of the six Ashlee Simpson songs or singles which have articles in Wikipedia. up+land 12:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * haha, I sort of agree but Simpson's songs are notable according to Wiki guidelines whereas there are no guidelines to establish notability for operatic pieces so your reasoning is a little off when you cite Simpson's songs as reason for establishing notability of this piece. --Strothra 20:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Guidelines should, as I see it, be used to establish common standards for inclusion, but can never establish standards for exclusion of anything but the most typical cases. Where no guidelines exist, one either has to use common sense or extrapolate from existing guidelines and practices by making rough comparisons like the one I made above. up+land 20:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I simply disagree completely with the first statement. Guidelines must establish a standard for which items must meet otherwise they should be discluded.  Regarding the second statement, any extrapolation of the current standards to apply to this article would be reaching since those standards are largely created as a judge of contemporary creations.  Thus debating on this piece as notable is merely subjective opinion regardless of whether one believes it should be kept or deleted.  A standard for this time of work should be created. --Strothra 23:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


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