Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don Fex


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The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 22:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Don Fex

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Subject not notable. Being a candidate for city council does not guarantee notability through WP:POLITICIAN, and the subject does not pass WP:GNG (the sources given mention the subject only offhand). There certainly isn't significant coverage addressing the subject directly. -M.Nelson (talk) 16:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * For now, I'd say delete. As per the nomination, being a municipal candidate is not in and of itself sufficient to establish notability.  If more materials (i.e. sources) were provided that show that Fex is a notable arts advocate in Ottawa, I might reconsider my position.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * keep. Reasons (Please correct my formatting if it is unacceptable):
 * 1) Satisfies criteria of WP:Entertainer since he "has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". WP:politician is secondary. Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC) — Andwats (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * 1.1) Sock 'n' Buskin Theatre Company is notable. As Director is significant. As Director twice nonetheless.Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1.2) Lake Side Players is marginally notable, it is included in the article Pantomime. As Director.Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1.3) Tara Players has won numerous awards . As Director and actor.Andwats(talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1.4) The bio on the Tara website I have cited, states he has worked with 15 companies, that's multiple. Andwats (talk) 00:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) WP:SIGCOV is satisfied as numerous interviews, regarding Don Fex directing, in credible sources are cited.Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2.1) These sources include Ottawa Xpress on multiple occasions, one is an hour.ca reference, see: .Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2.2) Furthermore, the subject is mentioned regarding theatre in several credible sources, including quotes Ottawa Citizen. The Citizen apparently considers him notable enough to see what he thinks about a lack of stage space in Ottawa. Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2.3) Furthermore, the reviews span a five year period of time. This is a feat since newspapers archive content after short periods of time. This constitutes notability. And, so WP:NTEMP is not violated.Andwats (talk) 01:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2.4) There is a notorious lack of secondary source material regarding Canadian Theatre.Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2.41) This is noted in Wasserman's "Modern Canadian Plays" (ISBN: 9780889224360). In the preface he notes that at the time of writing "An anthology is a sampler, and one might expect to be able to sample the best or most successful or historically most important work of whatever the subject- in this case, the Canadian theatre. Unfortunately, no single publication provide that perspective". And, that's for the best! Later he notes that "Margaret Atwood pays virtually no attention to drama in her thematic study of Canadian literature, 'Survival'". Wasserman himself relies on reviews. Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2.42) In "The Penguin History of Canada" (ISBN: 9780670065530), there is one mention of theatre, (p.37). It takes up one sentence and describes only that theatre was private due to the censorship of François de Laval.
 * 3) Precedent I modeled the article off of the Ike Awgu article which was nominated for deletion and subsequently protected. It appears in the discussion that while nomination for a city position is not notable, Awgu's function as a journalist is. However, no sources are cited whatsoever for his journalistic work. I tried to find stuff online and couldn't.Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm not trying to defend the notability of nomination, however, I think including articles on incumbents in minor city positions while excluding nominees fails to provide Objectivity (journalism). This concept is included in the see also portion of WP:NPV. Many of the articles on city councilors in Ottawa lack sources, and otherwise cannot establish notability via WP:Politician, since they are not mayors, and rarely mentioned beyond local news. Consequently, removing a nominee but leaving a barely notable incumbent could construe bias. I plan to start a thread in WP: Politician along these lines but to do so now would be interfering in this nomination.Andwats (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Sorry. I'm unclear as to which part of WP:GNG is not met by in respect to my contention concerning the subjects primary notability, as a director. Second, I'm unclear which part of WP:GNG is not met by  as regards the secondary issue of the subjects notability, i.e. candidacy.Andwats (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To make Fex a notable director, we would need significant coverage. The fact that Fex directed one play which was reviewed by a newspaper does not make him a notable director; it doesn't even make the play a notable play. Same thing for the candidacy—one article is not significant coverage. -M.Nelson (talk) 01:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary the fact that a review from 2005, and another from 2009 are still online is evidence of significance. See also, WP:NRVE regarding credible sources. One of the papers is Ottawa Xpress. For instance, Richard Rose, directed a theatrical production of Michael Ondaatje's Collected Works of Billy the Kid at the GCTC. But I doubt you'll find a review of it anywhere. So, on the one hand I have several links and articles. Not just one. Some are solely about the subject and others mention the subject in context of theatre work. So, that's half of your objection met. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to meet your standards for uncontroversial theatre artists. So, I don't have any Falsifiability criterion to work with. So, that's the other half. Likewise, I have multiple sources for candidacy. Andwats (talk) 02:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For reference: '"Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.' From, WP:SIGCOV. It does not mean your opinion of what counts. It means multiple and clear. Interviews are clear. Two interviews are multiple. Don't mean to sound rude, just trying to be precise. Andwats (talk) 02:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete. Does not meet WP:POLITICIAN. Sources are demonstrably insufficient to establish separate notability as a director. --Mkativerata (talk) 06:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:GNG for a theatre director or for a political candidate. Mandsford (talk) 12:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd like to see more mainstream media coverage. The Centretown News article while entirely about Fex is a free school newspaper "produced by third and fourth-year students in the School of Journalism and Communication at Carleton University in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada" and published 12 times a year. Eudemis (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. None of the posted links provide major independent coverage as required for notability. Maybe if he wins (but not even necessarily then, since city councilpersons are not automatically notable). Good try, Andwats; you have worked very hard on this article and it could be recreated if he later receives more notice - either as a director or as a politician. --MelanieN (talk) 02:49, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
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