Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don Hathaway


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The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:08, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Don Hathaway

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Non notable; the mayor of Shreveport, is a notable position, but  not the other members of the city government. The refs are insubstantial--and local.  DGG ( talk ) 08:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Reasons for notability: 20-year sheriff and former president of National Sheriff's Assn. Last elected citywide commissioner of public works in Shreveport. Until 1979, Shreveport had a five-member "executive", with the mayor being the "commissioner of administration" and equal to the other four council members, called "commissioners" over public works, public safety, finance, and public utilities. The commissioners were "executives" over their departments and "legislators" on the city council as a whole, were a 3-2 vote was needed to pass measures. Many commissioners served for decades and became powerful in their cities. This kind of arrangement was born in the aftermath of the Galveston tidal wave of 1900 as an "emergency" measure. Instead, it was commonly used in the Southeast after 1901. The commission form of government was dropped largely in the South in the 1970s under "one man, one vote" decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court because there were no single-member districts; all commissioners ran at-large. The commission government is still used in a few cities, the largest being in Portland, Oregon. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:51, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * None of those constitute substantive claims of notability under Wikipedia rules — we're not, as a rule, interested in delving too deeply into coverage of the municipal level of politics. We permit articles about mayors in cities the size of Shreveport, certainly, but a city has to have international "world city" fame, with a population in the millions, before we're interested in its individual city councillors, commissioners, or sheriffs. You're more than welcome to start your own Shreveportpedia if it's that important to you to write about people of exclusively local-to-Shreveport significance, but Wikipedia requires some evidence that he could be of interest to a national or international readership. Bearcat (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. No strong claim of notability that would get him past WP:POLITICIAN, and the sourcing depends a bit too much on primary and unreliable sources for comfort. Only three sources here actually pass muster as valid sourcing for an article — and one of those (citation #17) contains only a single cursory mention of his name without actually being substantively about him as such, while the other two (citations #4 and 5) are missing the actual article titles and hence aren't cited properly enough to stand as valid sourcing. I don't see any other sources that cut it; even the two HighBeam citations are actually from a non-notable trade magazine. Bearcat (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep For all intense and purposes as a city commissioner Hathaway was a co-mayor. Either no mayor is notable, or all of them are.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * City commissioners are not "for all intense and purposes" (actually you meant intents, but I digress) co-mayors. Mayors are mayors and commissioners are commissioners, and never the twain. And the lack of substantive reliable sourcing here is still more definitive anyway. Bearcat (talk) 21:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep: WP:Politician: Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. There are eight newspaper references, one national magazine, one local television report, three books, three court cases, sheriff's department website, nearly forty references in all. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC) Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 07:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 02:05, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Per Billy Hathorn. Plenty of acceptable refs provided, subject passes WP:POLITICIAN. Tiller54 (talk) 16:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
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