Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don Peppers (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Last year in an AFD, this article was Deleted but now there is support for a Keep so better sources must have been tracked down. Liz Read! Talk! 03:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Don Peppers
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Appears PROMO. Any sources I find are PR items, Gsearch is straight to social media and websites for booking this fellow. Oaktree b (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * comment Various versions of this article have been deleted three times over the years. If deleted again, the title needs a sprinkle of salt. Joyous! Noise! 23:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. A 1990 profile in The New York Times (and a brief follow up); profile based around new book in Precision Marketing; profile in M: The Civilized Man (1988), couldn't access full text, 1990 WSJ coverage of rumors he's leaving one ad agency for another (couldn't access full text).


 * Reviews, etc.:
 * The One to One Future (1993) with Martha Rogers in
 * Journal of Marketing
 * Journal of Consumer Marketing
 * Journal of Sport Management
 * International Business Review
 * Inc. (recommendation from editor)
 * Enterprise One to One: Tools for Competing in the Interactive Age with Rogers in
 * Library Journal
 * Publishers Weekly (this is an article/interview)
 * Informationweek(substantial)
 * Life's a Pitch...Then You Buy
 * Publishers Weekly
 * Sales and Marketing Management
 * Dayton Daily News
 * Inc.(very brief endorsement from editor)
 * One to One Manager in Sloan Management Review
 * ONE TO ONE B2B: Customer Relationship Management Strategies for the Real Economy with Rogers
 * Publishers Weekly
 * Marketing;
 * Booklist
 * Harvard Business Review (brief)
 * The One to One Fieldbook (1999, coauthored) in Décisions Marketing;
 * Rules to Break and Laws to Follow with Rogers
 * Choice: Current Reviews for Academic Libraries
 *  Library Journal (audiobook)
 * T+D
 * Extreme Trust with Rogers in Canadian Business (brief)
 * Return on Customer with Rogers
 * IIMB Management Review(academic)
 * Financial Times(a combination review/profile, but with substantial coverage of Pepper outside of interviewing)
 * Management Today (capsule)
 * Automotive Design & Production
 * Across the Board
 * Financial Executive
 * Entrepreneur;
 * Direct
 * This Sept. 2005 review sparked an intense controversy that played out across several more issues of Direct.
 * Article based on his books with Rogers in Harvard Business Review.
 * There's a series of articles in the Fairfield County Business Journal that editors may not be willing to count for notability, but which help source the article. And this is a brief profile of Rogers that adds some more details for verifiablity
 * I'm posting this now, but will continue to expand --Jahaza (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment If those are about him, we'd need to TNT this. Very promo feel to the article now. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Analysis of the proposed sources would be quite helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Not sure about this one - there's plenty of reviews/coverage of his books, but the links above that I can actually access just look like promo blurbs. I don't know if he passes WP:AUTHOR. Is he regarded as important/widely cited by his peers? He might be - but I'm not sure I love the idea of keeping an article because the subject had a short bio in a reputable paper about them switching jobs. Agree that a lot of what's written seems promotional, and if kept, should be edited. Kalethan (talk) 16:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You're "agreeing" that "a lot" of what's written sounds promotional to an almost entirely new article. What exactly have I written that's "promotional"? Jahaza (talk) 21:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That might have been the wrong phrasing - I apologize. I think what was bugging me was that half the sources on the page (excluding those authored by Peppers) are executive speaker profiles or book blurbs, both of which are trying to get the reader to give them money. What's left is a few bios of his career and what companies he worked for, and when I look at that, I want to say, "Why is an ad exec with a couple career bios notable?" But his career was selling stuff, so...I guess that makes sense that it would read as a little promotional.
 * Anyway, although I can't read them, you and another user farther down have linked a bunch more sources. It's also probably just my general distaste for marketing getting in the way here, so I'll withdraw any support for deletion on this one. Kalethan (talk) 03:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep The subject has passed the notability criteria, and has several media coverage from Wikipedia independent reliable sources, the page shouldn't be deleted. 11:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.91.47.91 (talk)
 * Keep Lots of articles in the business press and some are NOT press-releases or other promotion:
 * PERRY, DAVID. “Peppers Highlights Importance of ‘Trustability.’” Furniture Today, vol. 38, no. 40, June 2014, p. 12. EBSCOhost, search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bth&AN=96394271&site=bsi-live. "Furniture today"
 * "Profile - Don Peppers: Peppers finds life after CRM." Precision Marketing, 3 June 2005, p. 12. Gale General OneFile, link.gale.com/apps/doc/A133036960/ITOF?u=sfpl_main&sid=ebsco&xid=aa89fa53 Precision Marketing
 * Sterk, Leo G., and Jim Wheaton. "The Chutzpah of Don Peppers and Martha Rogers." Direct, vol. 17, no. 16, 1 Dec. 2005. Gale General OneFile, link.gale.com/apps/doc/A139150113/ITOF?u=sfpl_main&sid=bookmark-ITOF&xid=6ae267da. Direct. Lamona (talk) 02:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.