Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donal O'Sullivan (priest)


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The result was keep. Lourdes  04:25, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Donal O'Sullivan (priest)

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routine obit notices and the like--fails WP:MILITARY. WP is nota memorial.  DGG ( talk ) 20:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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*Delete. I don't see how this particular Donal O'Sullivan passes GNG .Icewhiz (talk) 17:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To allow discussion of the newly proposed sources.
 * Delete nothing notable.  Uninvited Company 21:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable for stand alone article; trivia. WP:Memorial applies. Kierzek (talk) 17:39, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable either as a chaplain or as a priest.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:50, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unfortunately as he was a brave victim of the Somme but not meeting the criteria for a stand alone article Atlantic306 (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Struck per sources found below. Icewhiz (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe KEEP:
 * The Guardian, 'Heavy casualties. Wounded, wounded, wounded': stories of the battle of the Somme, That's the title of the article, but note that it is a qoute taken from Fr. O'Sullivan's diary, described further down the page.
 * The Kerryman, 'Greater courage' of fallen Kerry Somme hero Fr Donal recalled
 * Irish Times: Irish Church leaders call for joint commemoration of the 1916 Rising and the Somme, (brief)
 * Irish Independent: How Irish priests brought comfort to the battlefield (brief)
 * Catholic News: Father Donal O’Sullivan’s priesthood and sacrifice remembered 100 years after his death in The Battle of the Somme
 * And not only during the recent wave of centennial commemoration, several hits come up in gBooks as far back as  this 1998 book https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/the-cross-on-the-sword-9780225668254/,  p. 131.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:31, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Let's roll this one over for another week. The article is new.  Article creator User:Webwayz responded to DGG's PROD by adding 2 good sources, but hasn't logged in since this AfD started.  Plus I though of making time to check the book I mentioned above (can't see the relevant pages online,) but the library is closed until after the New Year.  This may not be a fair week to determine the notability of history articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The Independent source is strong, with significant coverage, and reporting on the work of two historians, and it states his claim to notability, "Of all the Somme stories that resonant in this county, his is perhaps the most extraordinary - for the bravery of his sacrifice and for what would come later. "We could tell 100 stories about what happened in the war, but when we focus on one story it really brings all the pain, suffering and grim consequences to light and there's no story better than Fr O'Sullivan's," historian Maurice O'Keeffe said." It would be good to have more than one significant source - as the book that E.M.Gregory found is not online, it would be good if someone could check what it says about him. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It was a pretty remarkable experience. I walked into a library and pulled a codex off a shelf. Added what I found to our virtual page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:55, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to pass WP:NSOLDIER due to receiving "significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources." Although it could be argued this article is a little WP:ONEEVENT-y. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep added some text sourced to Johnstone, Tom (1996). The Cross on theSword: Catholic Chaplains in the Forces. I haven't added everything listed above, but I do think that there has been enough WP:SIGCOV over many years to support notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - between the news sources (Kerryman etc good), plus the two books, seems to satisfy NSOLDIER/GNG. WP:HEY applies. I feel BLP1E would be a bit harsh - it's a fairly long time span. I would ask the various deletes to take a look at the sources and see if their !votes are still justified. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY, the collected sources now available demonstrate notability per GNG. BLP1E does not apply as criterion 3 is not met: The Somme was a notable event, and O'Sullivan's role, while relatively minor, is well-documented. signed,Rosguill talk 22:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


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