Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Esty Jr.


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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 12:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Donald Esty Jr.

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While I have found a few primary sources confirming that the subject held the two offices mentioned (mayor of his town and state senator), there is a desert of secondary sources showing any kind of importance. BD2412 T 00:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable. Keep per GPL93. ~ HAL  333  02:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Clear WP:NPOL pass. He was the Majority Leader of the Maine State Senate. Best, GPL93 (talk) 02:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added this to the article, but would still like to see more. Surely a party leader in a state senate is still not necessarily inherently notable. BD2412  T 02:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * actually all members of state legislatures are considered inherently notable per WP:NPOL. Best, GPL93 (talk) 03:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That is problematic, with respect to those for whom sources are sparse to non-existent. BD2412  T 03:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a longstanding inclusionary policy and such policies exist for situations such as the one regarding Esty. Best, GPL93 (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep, extremely obvious WP:NPOL pass, all members of state legislatures are default notable, nevermind a State Senate majority leader. Devonian Wombat (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per WP:POLITICIAN/WP:NPOL. GPL93 stated it well: "all members of state legislatures are default notable." --Kbabej (talk) 17:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep passes WP:NPOL as a state senator. --Enos733 (talk) 22:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep; clearly passes NPOL as a state senator. Yes, the article needs some improvement — but there is no such thing as a state legislator (much less a majority leader) who somehow failed to ever garner any GNG-worthy coverage at all. The trick is that his term in office was 25-35 years ago, which means his best sources won't be found on Google — as a rule, Google is usually a waste of time for even trying to find any media coverage older than the past three to four years. For somebody whose term in office was this long ago, rather, you have to look for archived media coverage in databases like ProQuest or Questia or newspapers.com, not just on Google News. It's true that our articles about older officeholders from decades or centuries ago tend to be a lot worse than our articles about current incumbents — but that's not because media coverage of their careers didn't exist, it's just because Wikipedians tend to be lazy about actually making an effort to track down sources they can't just stumble over in a Google search, so people who aren't still present in the contemporary news cycle tend to get overlooked. But the reason that state legislators get an automatic NPOL pass isn't that they're somehow exempted from having to pass GNG — it's that they do pass GNG, because they always have sources, and the articles sometimes just look like they don't because we're not always on the ball about actually locating all of the sources they have. Bearcat (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I also searched Newspapers.com and Google Books, and found nothing of use in either search. I certainly hope you are not implying that I was "lazy" in my efforts. BD2412  T 18:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. He served as a Maine state senator and was also the Senate Majority Leader. Members of state legislatures are deemed notable here on Wikipedia. Lefcentreright  Talk  (plz ping) 18:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:NPOL is pretty clear on this one. ~ riley  ( talk  ) 07:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:NPOL.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. State senators are automatically notable because of the power state legislatures have over our health and safety. If the Corona virus has done anything, it has reminded us that state governments literally have the power of life and death over us. Bearian (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


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