Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Miralle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Non-admin closure. Safiel (talk) 00:00, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Donald Miralle

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Spam/Promo Page Seola (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Much of the sources lead to 404 or do not mention the subject. The biography information is unsourced. It reads like an advertisement or resume - not a Wiki page. The top search results lead to his personal website or social media pages. There has been a years-long tag with citation issues, noted orphan page and hasn't been resolved. There is no discussion on the talk page of cleaning up references and I could not find any specifically to note achievements that are mentioned. Very little movement since page creation so the issues present on creation had no attempts at correction. Seola (talk) 07:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 December 4.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 07:08, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep subject appears to be quite an accomplished photographer as can be seen by a news search for his name (literally thousands of photo credits in major publications). Unfortunately, this also makes it difficult to find quality sources about the subject as you have to sift thorugh all his photo credits.  This is not an excuse for not finding such sources, just an explanation...  Here are some good sources:   (multiple good sources behind paywall, but can see a portion of article)  ... I'm sure I could find more with effort.
 * The awards are real, and also a good indication of notability: World Press Picture of the Year Int'l National Press Photographers Association Football HOF Graphis Prix de la Photographie and so on.
 * Yes the article needs improvement (and with luck I'll have some time to do so this week), but the subject is quite notable. AfD is not for cleanup. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll watch some time to pass to see what you can get and wait for other feedback from other editors. I don't believe, however, that mere catalog size alone should be enough to meet nobility.  Additionally, the NYT is a reference to all winners of the year (of which, dozens win annually), so it's a bit of a duplication in the list, so to speak, in referring to the same event (x happened, here's the proof).  The article consists of nothing but where the photographer has worked or sold photos to, with little verifiable evidence of such.  As of now, I don't feel it falls in the merits of significant coverage, nor multiple reliable sources.  I used PDN's headlines to try and pull articles from the web to avoid the paywall.  I found a few, again referencing the same win, but in articles with the topic name and Miralle's name, his name didn't exist in the articles, so I'm unsure of where PDN has tagged his name to it.  The last concern I'll bring up is comparitive to the current list of US photographers.  The vast majority all have much, much more notability and a verifiable publishing list (James Balog) as an example. Seola (talk) 08:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd never heard of Miralle (or Balog), though my ignorance means little or nothing. Anyway, although Miralle isn't really a "sportsperson" as the latter term is generally used, he is a person whose noteworthiness -- if any, and I tend to think that yes there is some -- is related to sports. I've therefore added this to that delsort. &para; Odd that you should make an approving mention of Balog in an AfD for an article that you allege "reads like an advertisement or resume": his article is littered with dubious material such as: With innovative methodology that combines time-lapse imagery with cutting-edge science [...] Balog paired chimpanzees with a diverse range of humans and photographed a series of provocative portraits. The conceptual artwork [...] (my emboldening). -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * PS Balog article now tweaked (but still largely a PR puff). -- Hoary (talk) 14:19, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read more carefully. The NY Times article was not used to argue for notability. It was used as proof of an award which you claimed could not be found.  Why you picked it out and ignored the items I labeled as "good sources", I have no idea.  (You did deceptively describe one of them - if you look at the PDN link, you can see the first three articles are clearly about Miralle.  Why you chose to ignore those and focus on others others where he is incidentally mentioned, I have no idea. BTW, "Shooting from Left Field" is the cover article on that issue.  A trade publication making their lead article about a person is a crystal clear indication the publication deems said person notable.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:44, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. AfD may not be for cleanup, but as it is the article is certainly wretched. I've gone through it, clearing up some junk but adding almost nothing. Perhaps ThaddeusB would like to add to it the sources he's pointed to above. -- Hoary (talk) 09:55, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Fulfills the notability criteria for biographies as a demonstrably notable person in his field. Other provided rationale for listing at AfD are not part of the criteria for deletion. It is worth noting that at least one award Miralle claims to have be awarded on his website (National Headliner Award for SI in 2000) seems to be a typo; he actually won the award in 2001. His website should be treated with caution when being used as a source. GraniteSand (talk) 02:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I added some sections to the article which I hope makes it easier to see what is covered. I'm neutral on deletion. LaMona (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.