Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Munro


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The result was  d elete. - Mailer Diablo 10:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Donald Munro

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 * DeleteThe author is writting about himself which violates the WP:OR and WP:COI guidelines. Perhaps this is notable enough to keep but I have to say ninjutsu is notorious for inflated ranks - 12th Dan after 15 years? I also brought it here for opinions on what to do in general - ie other similar cases.  I would say it should be a user page.Peter Rehse 04:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * While I do not dispute any of the Wikipedia guidelines (as they exist in part to protect the integrity of the information provided), I am unaware of what evidence exists for inflated ranks among Ninjutsu practitioners of the Bujinkan organization (Ninjutsu being only one of many fields of study taught and practiced within the Bujinkan). There certainly are martial arts practitioners throughout the world who misrepresent themselves, however, I am presently unaware of anyone doing so in the Bujinkan organization.  In fact, I am unaware of any factual information supporting that this practice exists in any form within the Bujinkan.  There are individuals throughout the world who have created their own martial arts (including those who claim to teach various forms of Ninjutsu), who have bestowed inflated ranks upon themselves.  Perhaps this is where the source of your statement lies.  However, I am unaware of any factual information suggesting that this practice exists in the Bujinkan.  In terms of Dan grades, the Bujinkan divides its Dan ranks into 15 increments instead of the typical 10.  Some might say that a 12th Dan in the Bujinkan organization may equate more to a 7th or 8th Dan in other martial systems.  Furthermore, when awarding a rank, Masaaki Hatsumi takes much into account.  In other organizations, ranks may be earned based on one or more of the following attributes: proficiency of skill, years of membership, loyalty, teaching, competition, judging, coaching, and other attributes.  The Bujinkan is also unique in their approach to ranking, with one constant being the Sakki test performed by Masaaki Hatsumi, in order for the practitioner to attain the rank of 5th Dan.  I am in fact a 12th Dan in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu.
 * Delete vanity -- Samir धर्म 04:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * DeleteWP:OR violation with WP:COI issues. WP:BIO is not met. Notibility not asserted.--155.144.251.120 05:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:BIO, WP:COI, WP:OR. Terence Ong 12:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:BIO, WP:COI, WP:OR and lacking neutral references Alf photoman 19:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The contents of the page have been copied to User:Donald Munro which I guess is how it should be. Actually it makes a very nice user page.Peter Rehse 08:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


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