Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's false and misleading claims


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Procedural close. Deletion is also being discussed at Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 2 which is the more appropriate venue for a redirect discussion SpinningSpark 14:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Donald Trump's false and misleading claims

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Reason Markbassett (talk) 04:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I nominate that redirect for deletion as a very recent non-useful POVTITLE WP:RNEUTRAL concern that is just a descriptive formed by a WP editor. Redirect creation seems an impulsive act during a move discussion that went against using the title, and is not useful for search, so now just needs cleanup.

The redirect is a descriptive formed by editors and not a term in common use. It is appears to be a WP:POVTITLE, placing a mildly derogatory title into WP that is not useful. In particular, searches for similar phrasings seem able to find relevant pages without this redirect. This redirect therefore seems to fit the WP:RNEUTRAL section : "redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3".

The phrasing "false and misleading" is one tied to advertising, often followed by the word "claims", and in the context of all "Donald Trump" in Google (currently 241 Million), it is highly uncommon - googling with both phrases hits only 22,100. The problem seems that "false" is by far the COMMONNAME, with 58.9 million -- the simpler "false statements" at 406,000 dominates and a synthesis with the uncommon "misleading" into "false and misleading" is highly uncommon.

Further background:

The page was created while a discussion was ongoing over a proposed move to this title at | Talk:Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#Requested_move_25_October_2018.
 * That discussion is now closed with "The result of the move request was: Not Moved. Both sides have good arguments, but no consensus to move is present. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC) ".
 * The redirect creator voiced only weak interest there for redirect
 * The only other mention was from JFG that the title is a mild mismatch and that other redirects already exist:
 * "Oppose per WP:POVTITLE. Also, the proposed change would reduce scope to a mere list of false and misleading statements, whereas an analysis of Trump's communication style, rhetoric and "persuasion technique" (© Scott Adams) is a more encyclopedic way to approach the issue. To answer the OP's concern about readers "looking for information on the falsehoods, fictitious claims, misleading hyperbole", we have plenty of redirects such as, and .  — JFG talk 05:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)"


 * I have already made mention of intent to nominate within the TALK below that line "JFG is right the proposed is a WP:POVTITLE policy topic, but procedurally it's creation as a redirect while this talk was ongoing seems to have made a WP:RNEUTRAL issue. I'll file for deletion pending.  It should be consensus decision BEFORE action.  Cheers Markbassett (talk) 03:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)"

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 04:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2018 November 2.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 04:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.