Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Balma (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. NorthAmerica1000 17:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Donna Balma
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Relisting for further consideration after a no consensus/NPASR close on my first nomination. The problem wasn't that there was any actual disagreement, because nobody voted to keep the first time — rather, there wasn't enough participation after two relists. The problem remains that this is effectively a public relations profile, verging into straight-up résumé territory, rather than a proper encyclopedia article — and for sourcing, it relies almost entirely on references where the subject is credited as the author of the reference, making them primary sources which cannot legitimately demonstrate her encyclopedic notability. I still believe it's a delete. Bearcat (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete This article was created 30 September 2014 and everything substantive in it has been added by a single, new editor - although other editors have added categories, fixes, links. I know a little about "visionary" or "outsider " art. And it is unusual for an artist to claim to be an outsider artist, since the category describes artists who are unschooled, sometimes illiterate or semi-literate, certainly untrained in art and often mentally unstable, it is more usual for the art of these naive, often obsessive, solitary or otherwise eccentric but talented artists who often work in unusual media to be identified by others.   I do know that lots of people who merit Wikipedia articles don't have them, and that it is not necessarily illegitimate for an artist or someone close to the artist to put up a new page.  This article was almost certainly created either by the subject, or by someone who knows and/or admires her.  What is unusual here is that the article's editor, who obviously knows a lot about the subject/artist, can find so little substantive coverage to put on the page.  The  references from a local paper, Coastal Times, are not about the artist, but merely include her name in a list of artists being shown locally.  Links also lead to non-selective artist-listing websites.    other references are to Raw Vision, a real, if small, magazine devoted to Outsider art.  This may be true; a search for her name on the magazine's website search function produced nothing, but many magazine websites are inadequate.   Googling produces no more than is on the page.  What seems, for example, to be a launch party for a book of which she is the author  in an art gallery, is for a book published by "Lentis Books" which appears  to be a a self-publishing platform.   There are some gallery listings, and this interview   but I can't find info in magazines or newspapers of any reputation.ShulMaven (talk) 03:19, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete - [repeating !vote from previous nomination] Not quite finding enough sources to satisfy WP:BIO or WP:CREATIVE. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete She actually sounds like an interesting artist but the article is in desperate need of some independent sources. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 07:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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