Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Musil


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep, withdrawn by nominator Mandsford 16:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Donna Musil

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I note that this article has never been taken to AfD, though it has been speedied and its companion article was deleted back in 2008 at Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_December_21. My research does not indicate multiple third-party WP:RS that she meets our basic notability guidelines. The article is certainly rife with primary sources. I did find a Voice of America Ghit that Ms Musil is a figure of some import in the army brat network, but it's more of a forum hit than a bonafide news cite. And the awards: an IP has been insisting that the film's 21 festival selections constitute 21 awards,with some insults directed my way for not appreciating this. In fact, according to the primary source, the film won five awards of some kind at minor film festivals, not notable enough that Musil would meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:CREATIVE. There's some been some unpleasantness from this IP who has taken it upon his or herself to remove maintenance tags, insult me and vandalize my Talk page, and there may be more of that here, I'm afraid. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WITHDRAWN by nominator. I'm satisfied that there are indeed enough RS to establish notability and I have removed all of the content that I felt pushed this article in the direction of advert concerns, with explanations on the reverting IP's User talk page and in edit summaries. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The documentary includes narration by former military brat and noted actor and country and Western singer Kris Kristopherson, a personal interview of General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. former supreme commander of US military forces in the first gulf war (he is also former military brat) and numerous highly recognized authors in the field of military brat research and study. This along with numerous everyday military brats.
 * The article has ample citations that the documentary that Musil made (and is mentioned in the article) won six film awards.

And the Military Channel, a subsidiary of the Discovery channel is getting ready to air the documentary (sometime this month).


 * All of this information was (already) available in the article, it's references and links were all there before this persons began posting spurious banners (about deletion).

For these reasons I ask any investigating admin to warn or block this individual for misusing the Wikipedia process.

It might be funny if it weren't so sad, given the serious subject of the documentary-- that this person is smearing for some unknown reason--

An award-winning documentary about the lives, stresses, difficulties and struggles of American military children.

In the US once a crime has been proven, then aggravating circumstances are taken into account. Although not a crime, this persons claims against the article are an abuse of the Wikipedia process--

And I would say that the fact that this is a documentary about US military children that this person is targeting via misuse of Wikipedia protocol-- I would say that is an aggravating circumstance and I hope that is also taken into account.

The Wikipedia review process is for serious purposes and is not supposed to be a plaything (like a chess game) for ones personal edification entertainment.

Sincerely,

98.245.148.9 (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As I have attempted to explain to you, repeatedly, and apparently without success, the "ample citations" that attest to the notability of Donna Musil cannot be associated with her or her film or cause, but must come from reliable independent sources. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In the interest of fairness, and without regard to the pointless accusations directed my way, I have just found a bona fide WP:RS and added it to the article: . If there are more like this, I'll withdraw this nom. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just added a 2nd news ref from Stars and Stripes (newspaper). While I've not been able to independently verify most of the claims made in this article, it is becoming clear to me that something or someone -- the film or Musil -- is notable. I'm beginning to think that Donna Musil should simply be a redirect to Brats: Our Journey Home. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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