Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Pokere-Phillips


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 19:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Donna Pokere-Phillips

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Fails WP:NPOL. Never been elected. Co-leader of very minor party. Possibly redirect. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO.  scope_creep Talk  17:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with nom, has never won a seat in an election, just seems to go along with the process but never advancing in the polls. Oaktree b (talk) 18:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women,  and New Zealand. Shellwood (talk) 19:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, due to the significant coverage in the following independent and reliable sources:
 * 1) https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/428174/maori-party-candidate-among-four-arrested-for-trespassing-in-hamilton (significant coverage of her arrest in Radio New Zealand
 * 2) https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/covid-19-new-maori-party-candidate-accuses-government-of-ethnic-cleansing.html (significant coverage of her statement on Newshub
 * 3) I got two hits in the NZ Herald, but behind a firewall, so not certain of significance of coverage
 * 4) https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-party-candidate-arrested-in-hamilton-land-protest-council-claims-it-was-a-publicity-stunt/UHMHYLZOGLZ7MVIO46O6JCNJR4/ more significant coverage of her arrest
 * In summary, if we just look at her political career, she's not made it into office or held power. But if we look wider at her general notability, she's notable for her bold statements, being arrested in addition to the politics, so I think that passes WP:GNG CT55555 (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep, agree with CT55555 that her notability extends beyond political activity and election performance. Her current party operates more as a protest movement than a vote-seeker, so it receives a lot more news coverage than other similarly minor parties. Since her co-leadership of the Outdoors & Freedom Party is a recent development, and since the 2022 Hamilton Mayoral Election campaign is only just beginning, we can expect her to become even more prominent in the next few weeks. Just this morning she's been covered here: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/05-08-2022/tamaki-group-pledges-mass-parliament-clean-out-as-local-elections-targeted. Elguaponz (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Those four report refs are the same report, and gets reported regardless as any court reporting paper that has a duty of care to report it. It doesn't indicate notability. Bold statements don't make for notability. The 2nd ref about is a passing mention of the lowest kind.    scope_creep Talk  21:29, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The second one is this. It is titled "CORONAVIRUS COVID-19: New Maori Party candidate accuses Government of 'ethnic cleansing'". The candidate in question is the subject of this article. Her comments are quoted and then there is a 7 minute interview between the journalist and a health official where the journalists asks questions about the issues raised by the subject of the article (i.e. she is having influence). Is that the one that you think is a "passing mention of the lowest kind"?
 * I don't understand "Those four report refs are the same report". Do you mean they are talking about the same thing? Because they are not - they cover her arrest about a pipeline and her accusations of ethnical cleansing - two very separate events. CT55555 (talk) 21:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. Her arrest (October 2020) and her "ethnic cleansing" comments (May 2020) are completely different stories/reports. Arrests are not routinely reported, so you can't choose to ignore or discount that story. Reports are the yardstick by which WP:GNG operates. To put it another way: if a person has done something that triggers a paper's "a duty of care", there's a good chance that we're talking about something notable. Elguaponz (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep - significant coverag ein multiple, independent sources; passes GNG--IdiotSavant (talk) 23:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (ec) She's been given enough media coverage that GNG has been met. There are currently five independent secondary sources with that article that aren't just media releases or passing mentions: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. There might well be more out there. With regards to not getting to NZH content, I've particularly looked on their site only and here's some articles with substance: 2017 video interview as one of five candidates and her representing Brian Te Huia in a legal capacity (plus an article on her 2020 arrest but that topic is already covered by the RNZ source). Overall, there's enough there that confirms notability. I should add that in the unlikely event that this article is not kept, it should be draftified back to its original position rather than deleted.  Schwede  66  23:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Doesn't meet WP:NPOL, but does meet WP:GNG due to the combination of sources given above. -Kj cheetham (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets the GNG threshold clearly. — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Fully agreed with CT55555, passes WP:GNG. BBSTOP (talk) 05:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


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