Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donovan Strain


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The result was   keep. ‑Scottywong | babble _ 22:28, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Donovan Strain

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Fails WP:BASIC. Sam Sailor Sing 13:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep - an article that probably should have been created while WP:SKATE members were on a BLP spree last year. The guy had a regular column (if you can call it that) in Thrasher and his "Murk Avenue" stuff appeared in Slap Magazine. There's also coverage in Transworld Magazine, The Source, Complex, the New York Daily News, Media Bistro and passing mentions on CNN and in the Huffington Post relating to the Ice Cube stuff. I'd say he passes WP:GNG fairly easily. Stalwart 111  14:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment Much more likely thought is, that WP:SKATE did not include this man, as he has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Most mentions are in connection with "It Was a Good Day". I have added all sources listed above. They are essentially all only relaying the WP:SPS posted by Strain on Tumblr and hyping it up. Hardly significant coverage. Try to take away that story and look at the . The Skateboarding part is poorly sourced. Part of it relies on WP:SYNTH. Apart from the Junkie Monkeys source, it is all incidental and trivial mentions and leaves me with no impression of notability. The Stand-up comedy part is about as close to an unsourced claim as it gets. We are no way near "passes WP:GNG fairly easily" here. Sam Sailor Sing 14:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, being an active member of said project and an active participant in that effort, I can tell you exactly what I did and didn't include and why and inventing some alternate consideration I might have had in mind is a pointless exercise. The Ice Cube related stuff includes his initial analysis, subsequent denials, further subsequent acceptance of the assertions and finally an event with Ice Cube and the subject. Each aspect was individually covered in reliable sources. Your effort to tag-bomb the article to support your effort here (which included nominating something a few hours after it was created) is fairly transparent. You even tagged something from Transworld as "self published". It's obviously created by the subject but you and I cannot upload things to the Transworld site and publish them. There's no way that's "self published" when an independent content editor has made an editorial decision to host that content and claim it as their own. It's not a link from their site to YouTube - they have published the content. The selection of sources posted above is exactly that - a selection. There are dozens of reliable sources available, many of which you would have seen when conducting your checks per WP:BEFORE. The subject has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. What else is required? Stalwart 111  14:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * As a new poster I wondered why those sources were not credible as there is no way to self post on Thrasher, Transworld, Hubba Wheels etc or even the link to his comedian profile with Flappers Comedy Club. You may go on Flappers comedy club's website if you wish and try to set up a fake profile. It is impossible because the only way to be added to their database is if you have been booked and performed there previously you are then added to that database for further booking, showing that he has in fact been booked at Flappers and not a self post. Also to add to "notability" I just added to his biography a link to the Make-A-Wish foundations South Florida chapter who had a kid in 2010 from Florida that requested to meet him, Make-A-Wish posted along with the request fulfilled a photo of the kid (Alex) and Donovan after they flew Alex to Los Angeles to meet him. Make-A-Wish kids don't really use their one wish to request to meet anyone if they have no notibility of any kind. User:Catpiccatpic 12:07, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Adding them per WP:BURDEN. Sam Sailor Sing 13:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - adding to what Stalwart' 111  mentioned, Donovan also was of one of the original members of one of biggest websites in skateboarding "The Berrics" with a very popular web series "Buttery Ass Mondays" and has been credited in the skateboarding community as inventing many tricks such as the "Grape Flip" and "Shuv Late Bigspins" among others. '''catpiccatpic' 1:57, 19 March 2014 (UTC) — catpiccatpic (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment The links to videos on The Berries do not work for me. I did however find two tricks on www.skaterevolution.com that give credit to Strain, and as they are briefly mentioned in other places, I have added them. The Shuv Late Bigspins I can't find. Catpiccatpic has disclosed that she is the younger sister of Strain. Sam Sailor Sing 13:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:COI is irrelevant to notability. Stalwart 111  14:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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