Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dornier Do 235


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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Dornier Do 235

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Non-notable aircraft, apparently a proposed design that was never built. The two sources are just SPSs with extremely limited information. No prejudice against redirecting to an appropriate list article as an AFD result BilCat (talk) 05:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 13:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Aviation, Transportation,  and Germany.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge The sources used by the article indeed appear to be hobbyist WP:SPS. The Kleuser page even states "Information from Wikipedia is not always listed explicitly" in a footer, which is problematic in more than one way. My brief perusal of Google Books found only the following: 1) A mention in a 1947 USAF text entitled "Glossary of German aeronautical codes, models, project numbers, abbreviations, etc" with the totality of the entry reading "Aircraft type number for a bomber powered by four engines". 2) Hankey: Man of Secrets by Stephen Roskill appears to contain one instance of "Do 235" according to Google Books, but the preview only shows the bottom half of that line and I think this might be an OCR error actually reading "238". 3) British Intelligence in the Second World War by Francis Hinsley et al. has a brief mention of "The report described a new light bomber with a speed of 450-500 mph, a 1,800 lb bomb-load and high fuel consumption, calling it the Do 235. That this was a precursor of the new aircraft emerged when, on 22 February the Enigma decrypt..." with the preview cutting off soon thereafter. The index then contains the text "Do 235 see Do 335", but I'm not sure what a twin-engined (push-pull) heavy fighter has to do with a four-engine bomber. Based on the - admittedly limited - visibility I have to these sources, they appear to be rather far from the WP:SIGCOV needed. As an alternative to deletion, we could also merge to List of German aircraft projects, 1939–1945 (or some other suitable page), but this assumes that we can source the entry to WP:RS. The two sources currently in the article don't cut it, but the Hinsley book might be suitable, assuming the full text elucidates whether this aircraft was just a proposal/thought experiment, a bunch of plans on paper, or something more concrete. I seem to have access to Hinsley's book through work, but won't be able to check it out in the next few days. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should merge to List of German aircraft projects, 1939–1945 since it was never really used in Germany's military and as you mentioned had little reference in the books, but still was an aircraft that had some basic information on it in the sources you checked. Urban Versis 32 (talk) 22:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dornier Flugzeugwerke and merge the minimal content into there. Fails WP:BASIC. Mztourist (talk) 10:13, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge any useful content. I'd be ok with either the Dornier or List of German aircraft projects. Intothatdarkness 01:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - One of the article's sources lists the designation as a "highly questionable" entry which may or may not have existed as a project only. This aircraft doesn't pass WP:NAIR as its existence as even a project cannot be confirmed, and I have not seen any reliable sources indicating that the 8-235 designation was even assigned by the RLM. -  ZLEA  T \ C 16:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. If we cannot reliably source it, we can't merge it, and we can't redirect it to an article in which it is not mentioned for the same reason.  Sandstein   18:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Changing to Delete. I had a chance to review a couple of my books and there's no mention of a Do 235. Should something turn up, it could easily be added to an existing article because this was never an operational aircraft (if it even existed, which is highly questionable). Intothatdarkness 19:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Zlea.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.