Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorothea Nicolai


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete after extended time for discussion. This is, of course, without prejudice to any future nomination for deletion, if the article is not improved. BD2412 T 04:15, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Dorothea Nicolai

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GNG fail. Lacks independent sourcing; I cannot find anything adequate. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Opera. —OrestesLebt (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: I don't know. She was responsible for the costumes at three major places, Bayreuth, Salzburg also + ball there + exhibition there, and Zürich,, only: the costum designer gets the press coverage, and the one responsible for them actually made not. The article is way too detailed. This is good, Hamburg, notable performers. Here she even designed for the Salzburg Festival, 2006. Bayreuth + Salzburg, Berlin exhibition. Salzburg exhibition. The closer I look the more I think Keep, - just trim the article and add refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * keep per Gerda. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * For lack of participation this article could be be kept as "No consensus". There are severe notability issues with the article. There is a lack of significant coverage in reliable and independent sourcing, with too much unsourced content (we call original research), the article so far fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG, and WP:CREATIVE (no awards or being "cited by peers or successors"), and being "responsible for the costumes at three major places" is not a real justifiable criteria. There are many sources added above and I would need to examine all of them and not just count them as "but there are sources". I did check one source, "OPERAFASHION", that contains "The rose appeared on all the floral decorations of the festival, made of beautiful roses and other flowers in pastel colors, as well as on the aprons of the 48 debutantes, who wore outfits in perfect Austrian style by Dorothea Nicolai, head costume designer of the festival.", that may support content but just does not seem to be significant towards advancing notability. However, some may be more than just content supporting, pushing notability above the threshold required by WP:CREATIVE.


 * See article talk page for more details (copying above sources there), as I came to this too late to effectively research it, and it can always be resubmitted. Otr500 (talk) 15:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


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