Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dot's Homestyle Pretzels


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The nomination did not present a valid rationale for deletion, and the Delete !voters had ample time to review and dispute the sources presented here, leaving us with a rough consensus to keep. I also went ahead and renamed the page to Dot's Pretzels as requested here, but that is an editorial choice outside the scope of this AfD, so any editor is welcome to revert or reverse this. Owen&times; &#9742;  13:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Dot's Homestyle Pretzels

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The article is of a promotional nature. Although the article has Forbes contributor source which is not reliable and prohibited RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies,  and North Dakota. Shellwood (talk) 11:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can only find sources in trade magazines or PR items, similar to what's already used in the article. Lack of sourcing to prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 12:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of The Hershey Company brands Pretty good 'small business makes good' story, but not really much to find outside the obvious circle of small business promo blogs pre-Hershey.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 20:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  This is a 1,342-word article about the company and its pretzel flavors. The article notes: "Dot's Pretzels was founded by Dorothy "Dot" Henke. Dot originally created the recipe for the popular pretzels in her home kitchen in North Dakota as a homemade snack for friends and family. The seasoned pretzel twists she came up with while experimenting one holiday season were so well received that she decided to turn her culinary creation into a business—and Dot's Pretzels was born. ... Why Are Dot's Pretzels So Expensive? Dot's Pretzels tend to be pricier than some other pretzel brands. There are a few reasons for this. First and foremost, a lot more goes into baking these braided pretzel twists than just mixing them together, adding some salt flakes, and calling it a day."  The article notes: "Why can't I stop eating these pretzels? What's in them? Dot's Homestyle Pretzels are like the crack cocaine of salty snacks. ... Dot's were different. They had something, a flavor I couldn't stay away from. Some flicker of palate recognition. Like a good red wine, the pretzels had a taste delivered late, but consistently, that was addicting, which I couldn't identify and, since I couldn't, I had to have another handful to see if I could."  The article notes: "For the last decade, Henke has been herself - or, at least her products have carried her name. Matriculated from a treat baked and bagged in the kitchen adjacent the Velva grocery store, Dot's Homestyle is now sold in True Value stores in every state in the nation. According to Nielsen data, Dot's ranked sixth on the list of highest-selling pretzels in 2019 (up there with pantry standards, like Rold Gold and Snyder's of Hanover)."  The article notes: "Dot's Homestyle Pretzels look like the typical russet-hued twists passed around while watching a game. Their seasoning is barely visible, but unmistakable: beginning with a whiff of synthetic butter, blooming into a garlicky umami with a slight tang, and finishing with a mild afterburn. Whatever it is, it has people hooked. Dorothy "Dot" Henke, who lives near Velva, N.D., a small town outside Minot, launched her seasoned pretzel business as a two-sheet-pan, home kitchen operation. Her timing couldn't have been better."  The article notes: "They went to a lot of Pride of Dakota shows and other trade shows, then sought out a commercial kitchen. They later bought a run-down building in Velva and refurbished it, opening there in November 2012. ... Dot's buys its pretzel twists from a larger firm, and the firm's employees coat them in oil and a blend of seasons, bake, cool and repackage them."  The review notes: "But if the snack mix includes Dot’s Homestyle Pretzels, there is a 100% chance I’m reaching for them first. The twisted pretzel rods are coated with a light secret seasoning that is just enough to leave a little bit of residue on your fingers."</li> <li> The article notes: "Diehard fans of Dot’s Homestyle Pretzels would likely agree that the beloved pretzel born in North Dakota doesn’t need much improvement. But Dorothy “Dot” Henke, the snack’s creator, has big ideas for her brand found in gas stations and hardware stores across the Midwest. Enter the Mr. Dot Bar. Three flavors (milk chocolate with toffee, dark chocolate with toffee, and “white candy bar”) incorporate Henke’s signature garlic and onion-seasoned buttermilk pretzels."</li> <li> The article notes: "A Pride of Dakota product, Dot's Homestyle Pretzels was an idea that actually formulated in Arizona, where Henke and her husband, Randy, spend the winters. Relatives of Randy's, who now are Henke's business partners in Arizona, were the first to suggest that Henke go beyond making the pretzels just for her own family."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Dot's Homestyle Pretzels to pass Notability (organizations and companies), which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC) </li></ul>


 * Comment:, , and , I've posted a list of sources I found about Dot's Homestyle Pretzels. Would you review the sources? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 08:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Possible speedy keep due to invalid rationale given by the nominator. Per WP:ARTN Article content does not determine notability so saying that the article is promotional is not a valid reason for deletion especially when the nominator didn't spend any time doing proper WP:BEFORE or point out what is promotional? Anyways, I found some additional in-depth coverage about this topic even though  has already done a good job. I'd say keep and rename the article to Dot's Pretzels as the current title of the article is not common. 144.86.182.35 (talk) 19:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard's sources and other similar I found. The existence of sub par sourcing doesn't mean GNG level doesn't exist. I also second IP 144 re: the rename as it's more common in the sourcing I found.  Star   Mississippi  00:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep One question to consider before identifying the appropriate guidelines - since this article is about a "brand", what guidelines apply? A brand is neither a company nor a "product" per se, therefore strictly speaking WP:NCORP doesn't apply. Equally though, if it is a "brand", we therefore require sources that talk to the topic - that is, the brand. Sources that talk only about individual products under the brand are discussions about a product. Cunard has identified several sources that talk about the brand - that is the "range" of individual products - and that sourcing meets WP:GNG criteria. For example, this in Parade provide a good overview of the brand, as does this in the Star Tribune. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 18:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


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