Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doug DeMuro (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Doug DeMuro
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR or WP:NCREATIVE. Was previously deleted via AfD, although author claims new sources, I'm still not seeing any more than 1 detailed source, nor any accomplishment that would raise him to a WP:SNG pass. John from Idegon (talk) 19:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep (Article author) I have written the article, because DeMuro is a well-known for reviewing cars. Numerous independent sources have written about him including CNBC, Business Insider, and Forbes (which I have all used as sources). Besides, dozens of smaller papers have written articles about him, including a detailed profile in Philadelphia Weekly. DeMuro has three published books, has written for The Truth About Cars and Jalopnik and, besides, has a large following on YouTube. His columns have been published by the Philadelphia Media Network and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The reach of his writings and reviews is reflected by the fact that he is mentioned as a source and in the text of a sizable number of articles on Wikipedia. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 20:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * None of the things you've mentioned confer notability. Please name 3 or more reliable sources that discuss him in detail as required by GNG, or an achievement that rises to the level required by an SNG. John from Idegon (talk) 20:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * For example, this detailed Philadelphia Weekly profile (1), this Business Insider article (2), and this BI article (3). All have significant coverage (he is the main subject of all three articles), they are reliable (newspaper and BI is a major reliable news website), and all are secondary and independent from the subject. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 07:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, the PW article is a fine source, but not enough on its own to show notability. As for the other two: First, that's only one source, not two. Second, both are about a single incident (each), not detailed discussion of his life. They are far more about cars than him. Further, any use of BI as a source must be closely scrutinized. See the editorial disclaimer covering the website. Having written books in and of itself is not enough to meet AUTHOR. Again, I would be happy to agree to draftify this to allow you to find better sources. John from Idegon (talk) 08:36, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That first Business Insider article has been written by senior correspondent and author Matthew DeBord. The article indeed discusses cars, because that is what DeMuro is known for. It is about his experience owning, reviewing and writing about the Ferrari 360 Modena, and I would say Doug DeMuro is more than a detail in that article. Another article is from CNBC. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 09:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep I'm usually sceptical of the notability of YouTube celebrities, but Dough DeMuro seems to have enough significant coverage in reliable sources. In addition to the ones listed above, there are profiles of him at and, and he's widely quoted as a car expert in stories about specific vehicles. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK
 * Keep Despite the fact  that Philadelphia Weekly profile is local, it is an INDEPTH profile of him. Business Insider: A guy who endured a nightmare of Ferrari ownership is now suffering with a used Aston Martin is a solid source.  The appearance on  Jay Leno: . and other sources mentioned by Ahecht and John form Idegon do carry him past WP:SIGCOV.  Despite the fact that article is overstuffed with PRIMARY.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


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