Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doug Smith (bassist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 14:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Doug Smith (bassist)

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 * Delete -WP:MUSIC notability seems very, very localized.  (Which might be a pity, but WP reports notability, it should not create it.) See article talk page. Anmccaff (talk) 02:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If anything, the most recent edit reinforces and strengthens the case for deletion. It's a call for borrowed notability. Anmccaff (talk) 05:45, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - Subject is covered in reliable sources however, these sources are "localized". Meatsgains (talk) 02:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm going with Delete on this one. I PRODded it a couple weeks ago, and the article's creator removed it, with his reasons on the article's talk page.  I wasn't sufficiently motivated to bring it to AFD, but I support the deletion.  The subject's fame seems to be local at best; and to the extent it's not, it's only for being associated with other musicians who are notable -- there's a long laundry list in the article. But notability is not inherited, and I'm not convinced that playing with notable musicians makes one notable. TJRC (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:21, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete The article meets the requirements of a notable musician because it meets Wikipedia standards as follows:

“ * Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes school newspapers, personal blogs, etc.).”

I don’t see how this article fails to be notable, since it meets the above criteria. Citations from major newspapers and recordings from a TV station that serves nearly a third of Pennsylvania are not trivial. Multiple entries from both are cited. The news articles, written nearly twenty years apart, feature Smith and detail his (fifty plus year) career and contributions to jazz and music as a bandleader, a bassist, and avant-garde improvisational musician. His TV station appearances are part of coverage of the Pocono jazz scene—of which Smith is part.

Doug Smith belongs to what is called the Pocono jazz scene: NYC, northern New Jersey and northeastern Pennsylvania (Stroudsburg, Scranton) where many notable jazz musicians have lived or now live and work including –Bob Dorough, Dave Liebman, Eric Doney (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Doney), John Coates (http://articles.mcall.com/2000-05-26/features/), Keith Jarrett (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Deer_Head_Inn), Phil Woods, Urbie Green, Charlie Parker's stepdaughter, Kim Parker (http://www.jazz.com/encyclopedia/parker-kimto), to name a few). Bob Dorough, Dave Liebman, John Coates, Eric and Vicki Doney, are some other Pocono jazz scene musicians featured on the same TV program as Smith. Links provided document two of Smith’s performances on the same program with his own trio, and again with Bob Dorough.

The Deer Head Inn, a respected jazz venue where the highest caliber jazz and creative collaborations have taken place for over 60 years, regularly hosts notable jazz musicians. Documentation of one of Smith’s appearances with his band at the Deer Head is also provided.

The articles and links given also detail Smith's experience, musicianship and mentoring of a new generation in employing and performing with younger improvisational jazz and modern musicians like Marko Marcinko and Ron Stabinsky, among others--for whom links were provided (some of which were deleted by another editor). Other references are to musicians and artists Smith collaborates with in composing and creating avant-garde, experimental, improvisational, works such as Thollem McDonas.

Because most of his music is live--that is unrecorded --other references are included to the music itself to document it. That, along with news and TV coverage, cover a part (I'm sure there's much more since most of his career is pre-digital) the various roles Smith has played not only as as bandleader, bassist, and modern interpreter of classic jazz, but as a composer and performer on the modern avant-garde music scene. According to Wiki criteria as I read it, Smith is a notable musician himself who often works with other notable musicians. In any case, the references in print and media provided are from respectable, non-trivial, established sources and attributing "localizing" to Pocono jazz scene venues and coverage of its musicians is not germane here. St o&#39;hara (talk) 05:44, 19 February 2016 (UTC)St o'hara
 * Delete and Draft and Userfy as searches are not easy because of the common names but, because there are no serious needs for deletion, this can be drafted and userfied. SwisterTwister   talk  07:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * First, I'm not sure of the convention for responding to another's input here, so, it it belongs instead in my section, feel free to drop it back there. The problem I have with switching this back to the user's space is that it'll pop right back in mainspace, sure as there's coal in Hell, the first time he thinks it's good enough...and you can see that he thinks it's good enough already.  Anmccaff (talk) 18:54, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as the musician seems to have only very local notability. Hama Dryad (talk · contribs · email) 18:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.