Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DovBer Pinson


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:29, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

DovBer Pinson

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Tagged as an advert for over six years and never fixed. The sources lack independence with the exception of one passing tabloid-ish mention of a teapot tempest around a single performance in front of the Pope. He has written some books but WP:GNG requires non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources and that coverage is not in evidence. The creator of the article had only three edits: creating this article and editing it, and linking it to another. The username implies it may be the subject or an associate. This is at best a directory entry and at worst self-promotion. Guy (Help!) 08:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:26, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:26, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Reversing close and relisting due to request at my userpage.
 * Keep. The sources are independent. Or does the nominator imply that a Jewish newspaper is not independent of a rabbi? This person has also been published, see the Books section. Maybe this article should be a stub and may always remain a stub, but that is not in and of itself a problem. Debresser (talk) 19:02, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete the incident with the pope is WP:BLP1E, everything else in the article is promotional and sourced to dead links. If there are other references (or a claim that he meets WP:NAUTHOR), please present them. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 03:32, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition to the Pope thing, there was a lot of coverage of his role as the rabbininc mento or boxer Yuri Foreman, [ https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/sports/othersports/03boxing.html The Tale of the Tape and the Talmud] New York Times, 3 April 2008; A Rabbinical Student and the Ring New York Times 10 November 2009',  Try searching : rabbi Pinson "Yuri Foreman" . E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:41, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete very clearly an overly promotional article. Any article that calls the subject "an original thinker" is just inherently not encyclopedic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:28, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. For someone with such an impressive list of published books he hardly gets a mention by other scholars.  There are a few passing mentions coming up, but nothing in depth that can stand up to WP:N.  The books are all published by Iyyun Publishing, the publishing arm of Pinson's school, and they appear to have published nothing other than Pinson.  So he doesn't even have an independent publisher, not that that would have made any difference - except to suggest we should take a closer look.  If all the promotional stuff is removed from the article there would not be much left.  As for dancing with the Pope, besides BLP1E, notability is not inherited from the Pope.  It is not even in the article (despite the source being a reference) suggesting that even the page creator does not consider that a notable incident. SpinningSpark 15:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. 2 of the 3 current references are dead links. A google search shows that the Pope thing is mentioned in a few other potential sources, but as noted above, this is BLP1E. Fails NAUTHOR, too. Yilloslime (talk) 03:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


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